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[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think both are flawed and neither will be the ones to lead a team to victory but Gaudreau really ran into problems in playoffs when the games got tighter and it was harder for him to create space. Whereas I haven't seen Huberdeau come anywhere close to driving a line and creating offence. The Flames have a Tanguay with no Iginla.

Good balanced assessment. Both are good players that need to be put into situations to succeed. Like with Sam Bennet we might not have the right players for Huberdeau. I still think l it is premature and the Flames just need to get on a roll and find the lines that click.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Good balanced assessment. Both are good players that need to be put into situations to succeed. Like with Sam Bennet we might not have the right players for Huberdeau. I still think l it is premature and the Flames just need to get on a roll and find the lines that click.

Finding lines that click does pre-suppose that the Flames have the necessary pieces in place, doesn't it? Huberdeau, Lindholm, and Kadri have all had success, it just seems like all three need players to excel that the Flames simply don't have. This roster is quite frankly a cobbled-together mess, and it would be best if the team could somehow move on. This is exactly the kind of position rebuilds are supposed to address, but by now we all know how the organization feels about that.

So I guess we just watch the team try to ride a bike with one tire for the next 6-8 years?

[memphusk]

If you can ride a unicycle you're probably above the other teams. More like ride a bike with no wheels

[FanIn80]

Or just, you know, riding a bike of any type while their opponent is playing hockey.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This might just be a situational thing.

It’s easier to be entertained from a pure hockey perspective when you have zero investment in the outcome. When you are invested, it’s usually at least partially attached to the performance of one team.

I haven’t found the games notably out of sync with any others as far as entertainment value.

While this is absolutely the right advice... I want to be invested in this team.

I agree that the solution to this disappointment is apathy, but I really hate that being proposed on a forum devoted to hardcore Flames fans. I want to experience the highs and lows of following a team and being a fan.

Apathy is going to grow, and while that may help with the negativity around here, I don't think this will be good for Flames attendance numbers and TV ratings.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

While this is absolutely the right advice... I want to be invested in this team.

I agree that the solution to this disappointment is apathy, but I really hate that being proposed on a forum devoted to hardcore Flames fans. I want to experience the highs and lows of following a team and being a fan.

Apathy is going to grow, and while that may help with the negativity around here, I don't think this will be good for Flames attendance numbers and TV ratings.

Apathy really is the only solution this organization and its "rebuild is a forbidden word" mantra gives us as hardcore fans. It's a business model that doesn't work if the goal is to win, but the Flames have married themselves to it nonetheless. I suspect someone in management has the data to show that people in a a small Canadian market, with few other competing options for entertainment, will show up as long as the team isn't a bottom feeder, and will allow ownership to line their pockets as long as some mirage of being competitive is vomited out every year.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Finding lines that click does pre-suppose that the Flames have the necessary pieces in place, doesn't it? Huberdeau, Lindholm, and Kadri have all had success, it just seems like all three need players to excel that the Flames simply don't have. This roster is quite frankly a cobbled-together mess, and it would be best if the team could somehow move on. This is exactly the kind of position rebuilds are supposed to address, but by now we all know how the organization feels about that.

So I guess we just watch the team try to ride a bike with one tire for the next 6-8 years?

I don't disagree, but I think we need more time to see if changes need to be made. Find some consistent lines and put together a few wins could be the difference. Winning could bring the team together and generate some internal belief.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We have a good collection of players that need to come together as a team and find that chemistry.

Once they click I think they get going and are in a fight for that 2nd pacific spot.

These are top quality players, even Kadri. They are not playing to each others strengths at the moment.

You don't have the two good games we just have with a terrible team.

18/19 they took time to gel and figure it out. 21/22 took time to gel and figure it out.

Even the team under Glen took time to find themselves and play that corsi style of hockey.

A lot of those teams had the same issue some bad losses, games we should have fun and frustration with star players.

Its 3 games really not time to panic.

[dirk diggler]

with a new coach, the excuse will be learning a new system. don't worry though, with 8 games left in the season it will all click. In just over a season, i dont think i have really seen a game where Huberdeau really shined. he's had decent games but not many. I think he is better than a 55 point guy but i dont see even 70 points. Hope i am wrong

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

with a new coach, the excuse will be learning a new system. don't worry though, with 8 games left in the season it will all click. In just over a season, i dont think i have really seen a game where Huberdeau really shined. he's had decent games but not many. I think he is better than a 55 point guy but i dont see even 70 points. Hope i am wrong

He's on pace for 82 right now

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He's on pace for 82 right now

Phillips is on pace for 82 points.

Matthews is on pace for 164 goals.

Markstrom is on pace for another sub-.900 save percentage.

If we’re dismissing the first 3 games of this season as an acceptable sample size, then we can’t cherry pick stats.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

with a new coach, the excuse will be learning a new system. don't worry though, with 8 games left in the season it will all click. In just over a season, i dont think i have really seen a game where Huberdeau really shined. he's had decent games but not many. I think he is better than a 55 point guy but i dont see even 70 points. Hope i am wrong

I was thinking the same thing last night about Huberdeau. I don’t recall seeing a game where his dynamic skill set was ever on display to the point where I jumped out of my chair. Admittedly, I didn’t want many Panthers game but it sounded like he had the tools and could excite the crowd on any given evening. Even if he lands somewhere between 50-70 points it will be extremely disappointing given the lucrative contract. As mentioned before, you need value in a cap world or at least the ability to break even. This contract is looking to be negative equity which is certainly going to hurt the team.

[Strange Brew]

Hanifin on pace for 109 points, next Bobby Orr.

Unfortunately the weight of the C is proving too much for Backlund who is on pace to finish the year with zero points.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Phillips is on pace for 82 points.

Matthews is on pace for 164 goals.

Markstrom is on pace for another sub-.900 save percentage.

If we’re dismissing the first 3 games of this season as an acceptable sample size, then we can’t cherry pick stats.

One of these situations is actually realistic. Can you guess?

[Johnny Makarov]

As long as we don't start Markstrom for more than 30 games we are making the playoffs playing in this pisspoor division.

It's what we do in playoffs that matters.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

One of these situations is actually realistic. Can you guess?

Markstrom.

[Paulie Walnuts]

When you set realistic expectations on a player you will stop being so angry and disappointed.

Its been stated many times that Huberdeau is more of a cerebral player, not the dash into the zone Johnny Gaudreau. That style of play has worked from him his career allowing him to set records and be a consistent player up until last year.

He can play rush hockey but again he likes to get the puck and dish it as soon as he gets it he doesn't carry it in.

Mark Stone gets the job done and he does it a different way. Jack Eichel put up 20 plus points in the playoffs and I don't think you can see he was dominant every single shift and was dangling around people.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

When you set realistic expectations on a player you will stop being so angry and disappointed.

Its been stated many times that Huberdeau is more of a cerebral player, not the dash into the zone Johnny Gaudreau. That style of play has worked from him his career allowing him to set records and be a consistent player up until last year.

He can play rush hockey but again he likes to get the puck and dish it as soon as he gets it he doesn't carry it in.

Mark Stone gets the job done and he does it a different way. Jack Eichel put up 20 plus points in the playoffs and I don't think you can see he was dominant every single shift and was dangling around people.

It's not the point you were making, but Jonathan Huberdeau makes more money than all of the players you talked about, and for a longer period of time. That just hit me. That's a real bummer.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

When you set realistic expectations on a player you will stop being so angry and disappointed.

Its been stated many times that Huberdeau is more of a cerebral player, not the dash into the zone Johnny Gaudreau. That style of play has worked from him his career allowing him to set records and be a consistent player up until last year.

He can play rush hockey but again he likes to get the puck and dish it as soon as he gets it he doesn't carry it in.

Mark Stone gets the job done and he does it a different way. Jack Eichel put up 20 plus points in the playoffs and I don't think you can see he was dominant every single shift and was dangling around people.

His contract pretty much kills reasonable expectations especially in light of last season. Everyone knows the back of that contract will suck. The front half is supposed to make up for it but he looks a second line complementary player. Another odd pro scouting/management decision to commit to a guy who needs a style of play that has never been used in Calgary and lacks the players for it. He'd be perfect in Edmonton

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It's not the point you were making, but Jonathan Huberdeau makes more money than all of the players you talked about, and for a longer period of time. That just hit me. That's a real bummer.

People Stones age are usually getting paid for past performance and his career high was 65.

Eichel was potential his career high has been 82 but hes settling in as a PPG looks like.

Its 1 million difference between him and Stone and .5 for him and Eichel and he has outproduced them both.

I am strictly talking about production.