Calgary Flames 2023-24 attendance

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The only thing not mentioned- and honestly worth mentioning- is that the product isn’t worth it?

Straight up. It isn’t.

In the gambling thread you explicitly stated you don't watch the NHL. So how much do you know about the product?

I guess I don't really get your angle here, you're just doing your part to help the league fail?

[MegaErtz]

We have a bad team laden with bad contracts. Markstrom, Kadri, Huberdeau, Coleman, and Weegar all have very negative trade value. No other team in the NHL would take on any of those contracts if we gave the players up for nothing.

The NHL needs to look at the NFL model of short-term contracts for all but the big names. I find it ridiculous that Dustin Wolf isn't playing for us, and likely won't for another two or three years, due to the terrible Markstrom contract.

Just look at the ticket exchange sub-forum on this website. Only a sucker or a rich person with more money than sense would pay for season tickets. The real kicker is that we all know ticket prices are likely to double when the new arena opens. Very tough to be optimistic about this joke of a franchise. I honestly think we're in the worst situation we've ever been in. There's no way out, we just have to wait six or seven years for these bad contracts to come off the books.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

We have a bad team laden with bad contracts. Markstrom, Kadri, Huberdeau, Coleman, and Weegar all have very negative trade value. No other team in the NHL would take on any of those contracts if we gave the players up for nothing.

The NHL needs to look at the NFL model of short-term contracts for all but the big names. I find it ridiculous that Dustin Wolf isn't playing for us, and likely won't for another two or three years, due to the terrible Markstrom contract.

Just look at the ticket exchange sub-forum on this website. Only a sucker or a rich person with more money than sense would pay for season tickets. The real kicker is that we all know ticket prices are likely to double when the new arena opens. Very tough to be optimistic about this joke of a franchise. I honestly think we're in the worst situation we've ever been in. There's no way out, we just have to wait six or seven years for these bad contracts to come off the books.

Weegar!? You are don't know what you are talking about if you think Weegar has negative value

[MegaErtz]

We’re going to be paying him $6.25m when he’s 37. That’s just not good cap management.

[Paulie Walnuts]

But he's not 37 now is he?

Many teams would take him off our hands and give us good stuff for him today even if he is making 6.25 when he is 37.

It's not that bad.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

We’re going to be paying him $6.25m when he’s 37. That’s just not good cap management.

In 7 years 6M won't be a huge contact. It's not like dman are never decent in their late 30s. Also he isn't there yet and is a bargain for the next while at least. He is one of the most valuable players on the roster.

[teeschaber]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

We’re going to be paying him $6.25m when he’s 37. That’s just not good cap management.

There's 31 other teams in the league that would pay him that contract

[Bingo]

Dom at the Athletic had teams ranked by salary efficiency, Flames came in 20th.

Worst contracts ... (Surplus value)

1. Huberdeau -33.5M
2. Kadri -11.5M
3. Coleman -8.3M

huge gap ...

4. Zadorov -1.8M
5. Sharangovich -0.9M

Best contracts ...

1. Weegar +5.5M
2. Lindholm +1.9M (expiring)
3. Ruzicka +1.9M
4. Mangiapane +1.1M
5. Hanifin +1.1M (expiring)

Weegar is not, in any way, an untradeable contract.

[Strange Brew]

^ you might disagree with his numbers but this is the best way to measure a GM IMO

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Dom at the Athletic had teams ranked by salary efficiency, Flames came in 20th.

Worst contracts ... (Surplus value)

1. Huberdeau -33.5M
2. Kadri -11.5M
3. Coleman -8.3M

huge gap ...

4. Zadorov -1.8M
5. Sharangovich -0.9M

Best contracts ...

1. Weegar +5.5M
2. Lindholm +1.9M (expiring)
3. Ruzicka +1.9M
4. Mangiapane +1.1M
5. Hanifin +1.1M (expiring)

Weegar is not, in any way, an untradeable contract.

Dom also completely forgot Andersson in his evaluation. I agree regarding Weegar.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Dom at the Athletic had teams ranked by salary efficiency, Flames came in 20th.



Worst contracts ... (Surplus value)



1. Huberdeau -33.5M

2. Kadri -11.5M

3. Coleman -8.3M



huge gap ...



4. Zadorov -1.8M

5. Sharangovich -0.9M



Best contracts ...



1. Weegar +5.5M

2. Lindholm +1.9M (expiring)

3. Ruzicka +1.9M

4. Mangiapane +1.1M

5. Hanifin +1.1M (expiring)



Weegar is not, in any way, an untradeable contract.

So does this mean he thinks Huberdeau is overpaid by 33.5 million over his contract and he is really only a $6.3 million player?

If this is what he's saying his article is junk. I take it he's basing his value based on last year and last year only.

Unless I don't know what surplus value means which is entirely possible.

[PeteMoss]

We're so poorly viewed that tonight will be the first non-sell out for Washington since 2009. /green text

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...t-streak-ends/

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

^ you might disagree with his numbers but this is the best way to measure a GM IMO

Probably but I think there needs to be some adjustment for market

places like Calgary pay more and it's not the GM's fault

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

^ you might disagree with his numbers but this is the best way to measure a GM IMO

Somewhat - but it isn't the GM's fault when a player's game goes to #### and makes their contract horrible

[Paulie Walnuts]

The poster made it seem like the Flames the Coyotes or something.

We are still 3 years away from the new arena a lot will change. Young players will come some of these guys will be gone and a new shiny toy will attract some players as well.

The Flames are not on the verge of bankruptcy because attendance is down.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Somewhat - but it isn't the GM's fault when a player's game goes to #### and makes their contract horrible

A lot of things aren’t the GM’s “fault”. But they make bets on players and contracts and I have no issue with evaluating a GM based on the results of those bets.

Can’t give him a pass when a player doesn’t live up to their contract any more than not give him credit for a player that breaks out.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by chedder

So does this mean he thinks Huberdeau is overpaid by 33.5 million over his contract and he is really only a $6.3 million player?

If this is what he's saying his article is junk. I take it he's basing his value based on last year and last year only.

Unless I don't know what surplus value means which is entirely possible.

I'd assume it's not that simplistic.

He probably sees him overpaid by 1M in year one and say 7M in year 8

[#-3]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Attendance to the home opener was only 17,414 according to NHL. That is absolutely terrible given the Canadian team opponent and typical high draw of the season open.

Given how poorly the home opener was attended, attendance numbers are a topic worth tracking through the season.

Outside of the pandemic, this could very well be the worst attended season in over 20 years. Per season attendance of the young-gun era of 1995-03 ranged from 15,300-18,000. The flames are seemingly facing these types of attendance numbers again this year.

Attendance by year

1999-00: 15,300
2000-01: 16,600
2001-02: 15,700
2002-03: 16,600

2004-14: 19,289
2014-15: 19,100
2015-16: 19,100
2016-17: 18,700
2017-18: 18,900
2018-19: 18,500
2019-20: 18,800

2022-23: 18,000
2023-24: 17,400

There is no chance there was ever 16,000 people at a flames game in '03, let alone average. If you got 3/4 of the way up the 2nd tier and anyone else was in your row, you would just switch seats to get a whole row to yourself.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by #-3

There is no chance there was ever 16,000 people at a flames game in '03, let alone average. If you got 3/4 of the way up the 2nd tier and anyone else was in your row, you would just switch seats to get a whole row to yourself.

We'd get student tickets in 2003 and 2004 and the Flames would come and move our entire group of 30+ people down to the lower bowl. Place was empty.



In 2000-2003 we definitely moved down seats at nearly every Flames game we went to lol. Was a different time, was a ghost town.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by rohara66

We'd get student tickets in 2003 and 2004 and the Flames would come and move our entire group of 30+ people down to the lower bowl. Place was empty.



In 2000-2003 we definitely moved down seats at nearly every Flames game we went to lol. Was a different time, was a ghost town.

And then Sutter arrived, Kipper arrived, Iggy was super human, Cinderella came to town and oil went from $9 to $150 per barrel. What a time to be alive.