[PGT] Calgary Flames 2 - Pittsburgh Penguins 5

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by iamca

Has to be so disappointing to give up 4 straight goals in the third period.

Lose the 3rd that badly and no one could expected a win.

Need to learn from this, especially starting the 3rd up one and on the road… they have to know the push is coming from the Pens to start the period.

Give up 2 goals in under a minute and seemingly, the Flames collapsed.


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Thought they played well but they got careless in the 3rd. That is fixable.

[Flames1217]

Flames beat themselves last night.

Could have easily won that game but started getting really sloppy.

Hoping to see Vladar on Monday and a full 60 minute effort.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Flames beat themselves last night.

Could have easily won that game but started getting really sloppy.

Hoping to see Vladar on Monday and a full 60 minute effort.

Why Vladar? Markstrom wasn’t an issue.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

In the first two games, our play has provided little to be positive about.

Coronato’s first goal (beautiful release), and Markstrom’s good form have been pretty much it.

There are few signs of someone providing us what we need to seal things in a tight game, and we’re going through phases where we just cough up everything and put ourselves under unnecessary pressure.

Without the stellar goalkeeping, we would’ve been on the wrong end of two bloodbaths by now.

Edit: only 137 posts (with one poster accounting for big chunk of em), after a loss. That is concerning.

I find myself…indifferent with this group.

Tweener team that doesn’t really know what it is.

Coupled with low expectations, it’s hard to get too worked up with wins or losses.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The Flames were 19th in goals for last year, a whopping 15 goals from being in the top 10, despite playing Sutter's way. I suspect they will be easily in the top half of the league for goals this year

It will have to be by committee is my main point. Do you think they have a 40 goal score or multiple 30 goal guys? I don’t.
They are lacking an elite goal scorer

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Why Vladar? Markstrom wasn’t an issue.

Hoping it provides a spark.

Rare to say that in a 5 goal loss that the goaltending wasn't an issue but I will agree with you on Markstrom not being the problem here (especially on goals 2 and 3).

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Hoping it provides a spark.

Rare to say that in a 5 goal loss that the goaltending wasn't an issue but I will agree with you on Markstrom not being the problem here (especially on goals 2 and 3).

Markstrom is 31st in Goals Saved Above Expected Per 60.
Not exactly elite. And this accounts for the bad defensive breakdowns.

However, it's good to see that he has been stronger in first periods. It gives the team a better chance to win.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Edit: only 137 posts (with one poster accounting for big chunk of em), after a loss. That is concerning.

The team has no sellable star players, and I think this is going to be a bigger story as the season progresses. The attendance for the home opener was bad.

The team didn’t make any positive on-ice changes for this season, and the team did not win over any fans last year with its boring, skill-less, loss-filled hockey.

Banking on a bunch of unexciting players to bounce back is not how you sell tickets. You’ve also got a significant number of players uncommitted to the team. It all adds up to being a tough sell.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Huberdeau looks exactly like last season

Huberdeau loves throwing blind passes to the middle of the ice in the D zone.

If that's what Sutter was giving him a hard time about, he was right. That is some peewee garbage.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He has 3 points in 2 games, he has been noticeably better than last year.

He has noticeably more points, he has not played noticeably better.
But it's only 2 games.

[Strange Brew]

I did think Huberdeau looked better in stretches but I’m not yet seeing massive improvement. But maybe it is coming.

It’s a long season and by stealing the first game, Flames avoided starting with a losing streak. I’m less worried about the scoring than I am the great chances they are giving up. That was happening last year, which maybe isn’t a shock since we’re seeing basically the same team. That’s something the guilty players are going to have to figure out, that’s not on coaching.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Thought they played well but they got careless in the 3rd. That is fixable.

Its fixable, but can you see it being fixed with this crowd of players? The one constant with this team is their comfort zone.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Markstrom is 31st in Goals Saved Above Expected Per 60.
Not exactly elite. And this accounts for the bad defensive breakdowns.

However, it's good to see that he has been stronger in first periods. It gives the team a better chance to win.

No it doesn’t. That stat does not factor in defensive positioning at all

[cannon7]

I'm not putting this loss on Markstrom, but Pct .892 SV% and 3.57GAA to start the season is... not great.

I give Markstrom five games, if it's more >3 GAA and <.900 SV% I try Vladar for five games and if things don't improve I call the Wolf. Can only wonder what Huska is thinking.

The team wasn't great in front of him, either. But this group needs strong goaltending to have any hope of competing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How many of those goals did we expect him to save?

Poor play by Mangiapane.

Backlund blowing the zone and Hanifin trying to pass through a player from his own zone him.

Dumb mistakes

[Caboose]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I'm not putting this loss on Markstrom, but Pct .892 SV% and 3.57GAA to start the season is... not great.

I give Markstrom five games, if it's more &gt;3 GAA and &lt;.900 SV% I try Vladar for five games and if things don't improve I call the Wolf. Can only wonder what Huska is thinking.

The team wasn't great in front of him, either. But this group needs strong goaltending to have any hope of competing.

Markstrom had 2 save of the year candidates in one powerplay. He looked great for the first two periods, and I'd say the goals against were ones that would have required more incredible saves from him.

Save % doesn't tell the story so far, the defense needs to get better at limiting cross-ice passes for dangerous shots. Those are killing them imo, and hopefully its something that will get sorted as they learn the new zone defense.

[Igottago]

Markstrom has been the best Flame so far. Both games could've been ugly without his performances.

The thing is, even if Markstrom is on this season, which so far he appears to be -- it doesn't fix everything. The jury is still out on the quality of this team overall.

[kukkudo]

Watching the Flames so far this season, reminds me too much of last season of the boring grinding out hockey. It’s early in the season but I still don’t get How Huby is struggling to be a game breaker forward here.

Yes he’s got 3 points but quietly.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Scratch Coronato a game or two and have him watch from the press box.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I did think Huberdeau looked better in stretches but I’m not yet seeing massive improvement. But maybe it is coming.

It’s a long season and by stealing the first game, Flames avoided starting with a losing streak. I’m less worried about the scoring than I am the great chances they are giving up. That was happening last year, which maybe isn’t a shock since we’re seeing basically the same team. That’s something the guilty players are going to have to figure out, that’s not on coaching.

At least systemically it was a huge step forward. The Pens only had 15 five on five shot attempts through 2 periods ... that's miniscule. In high danger terms 7 against five on 5 vs the 15 against Winnipeg.

I see the concerns about offensive generation and goal scoring for sure, the team lacks drivers and game breakers.

Their best bet is to learn the system and keep other teams and bay, and the first two periods were a solid step in that direction.