Stop teasing us shipping Tendi and Rutherford already. Just make it so!
Too bad T'Lynn had no screen time this episode, would have been cool to see her snarky takes on Ferengi greed and culture like she did with the Orions.
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Going back to the concept of the show, the whole Captain saving the bumbling admiral story line is out of place. The Admiral should have been successfully making this happen from a flagship, while the Cerritos shows up and has to do the travel guide stuff(and maybe some other menial stuff like ironing flags for the ceremony), missing out on the real important action that happens in the background. The episode was fine, but I just prefer the original concept.
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I didn't mind Freeman fixing things. You get enough episodes of Freemen bumbling things up on her own, i.e. sending Mariner to Starbase 80 on rumors, blowing her lid, fumbling the ringworld computer, etc. you gotta to make her competent sometimes. Plus its practically a Star Trek trope for Admirals being idiots, "badmirals", or taken over by aliens.
Even Admiral Ross, one of the better long running admirals we've seen, had his badmiral episode w/ the Section 31 connections.
Even Admiral Ross, one of the better long running admirals we've seen, had his badmiral episode w/ the Section 31 connections.
Disagree. He was the first Admiral we saw doing what the Admirality is required to do during war time. Win the war. Getting someone who is a Star Fleet mole into the higher echelons of the Romulan Star Empire to ensure their uneasy alliance (also created using subterfuge by Star Fleet) has no chance of breaking is important if they are going to win the war vs the Dominion. That it would continue paying dividends after the war doesn't hurt.
Bashir, as he often was, was still young and naive enough to have righteous indignation about this. You have to imagine, even though Ross was close with Sisko, he didn't think highly of Bashir who's big suggestion to end the war to this point as been "Surrender". There was no chance he was being looped in.
This whole scene is what makes DS9 so good. Grey. Everything is grey.
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Coincidentally I re-watched parts of "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" just yesterday!
That scene with Bashir is *chef's kiss*:
BASHIR: And what about your friend, Senator Cretak? What's going to happen to her?
ROSS: Dismissed from the Senate? Definitely. Imprisoned? Most likely.
BASHIR: Executed?
ROSS: ... I hope not.
BASHIR: You set her up! She was an innocent woman and you let Sloan destroy her! Why!? She believed in the Alliance. She was on our side.
ROSS: No she wasn't. I told you before, Julian: she's a patriot. Which means if it serves the interests of the Romulans to negotiate a separate peace with the Dominion, Cretak would push that option. And believe me, the Dominion would like nothing more than to make a deal with the Romulans right now.
BASHIR: So Koval becomes your guarantee that that does not happen. As a man who was nearly killed for his anti-Federation activities, his recommendation to stay in the war becomes all the more convincing!
ROSS: That's the general idea.
BASHIR: And how long have you worked for Section 31?
ROSS: I don't.
BASHIR: Oh. Just a temporary alliance, is it?
ROSS: Something like that.
BASHIR: You don't see anything wrong with what happened, do you?
ROSS: I don't like it. But I've spent the last year and a half of my life ordering young men and young women to die. I like that even less.
BASHIR: That's a glib answer, and a cheap way to avoid the fact that you've trampled on the very thing that those men and women are out there dying to protect! Does that not mean anything to you?!
ROSS: Inter arma enim silent leges.
BASHIR: "In time of war, the law falls silent." Cicero. So is that what we have become?
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This whole scene is what makes DS9 so good. Grey. Everything is grey.
Just like Romulus. The buildings, the clothes, the people. Did you know that the Romulan heart itself is grey? It's true. And altogether appropriate for such an unimaginative race.
Coincidentally I re-watched parts of "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" just yesterday!
That scene with Bashir is *chef's kiss*:
BASHIR: And what about your friend, Senator Cretak? What's going to happen to her?
ROSS: Dismissed from the Senate? Definitely. Imprisoned? Most likely.
BASHIR: Executed?
ROSS: ... I hope not.
BASHIR: You set her up! She was an innocent woman and you let Sloan destroy her! Why!? She believed in the Alliance. She was on our side.
ROSS: No she wasn't. I told you before, Julian: she's a patriot. Which means if it serves the interests of the Romulans to negotiate a separate peace with the Dominion, Cretak would push that option. And believe me, the Dominion would like nothing more than to make a deal with the Romulans right now.
BASHIR: So Koval becomes your guarantee that that does not happen. As a man who was nearly killed for his anti-Federation activities, his recommendation to stay in the war becomes all the more convincing!
ROSS: That's the general idea.
BASHIR: And how long have you worked for Section 31?
ROSS: I don't.
BASHIR: Oh. Just a temporary alliance, is it?
ROSS: Something like that.
BASHIR: You don't see anything wrong with what happened, do you?
ROSS: I don't like it. But I've spent the last year and a half of my life ordering young men and young women to die. I like that even less.
BASHIR: That's a glib answer, and a cheap way to avoid the fact that you've trampled on the very thing that those men and women are out there dying to protect! Does that not mean anything to you?!
ROSS: Inter arma enim silent leges.
BASHIR: "In time of war, the law falls silent." Cicero. So is that what we have become?
Spoiler!
One of the best scenes in DS9 to me, and there were lots. And its what made me appreciate DS9 all the more.
In times of desperation, the Federation was willing to throw out or suspend its slightly arrogant high minded morals in the name of survival and preservation of their deniable moral code.
The Federation was like the Roman Empire, they promoted themselves as a high minded example of high culture, but at the heart of it the Romans were barbarians in sandals.
the Federation was the same way. The need for Section 31 just proves it. That the people of the federation were almost fine with the coupe thrown by an admiral when he saw that the Federation couldn't win the war with the Dominion.
In the end the Federation was not going to win that war and were willing to ally with an Empire of brutal killers and war criminals and only after the battle was won did the Federation go back to its arrogant reliance on their moral code when they refused to drink over the bones of their enemy.
The Federation has always been hypocritical.
Look at Star Trek 6 when Kirk and Bones were imprisoned, instead of the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many. The Federation military was willing to risk a war to rescue Kirk and Bones, and even conspired with their enemies to make that war happen.
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The Lower Decks season premiere set a bar so ridiculously high that while there is objectively nothing wrong with the rest so far, I've actually been entirely underwhelmed.
The premiere is easily the best singular episode of the entire show.
The Lower Decks season premiere set a bar so ridiculously high that while there is objectively nothing wrong with the rest so far, I've actually been entirely underwhelmed.
The premiere is easily the best singular episode of the entire show.
I'm hoping it ramps up but E1 of this season...'Holodeck Waste Removal' still makes me chuckle.
The other one was Tendy cataloguing all of the diseases filtered out by the transporter after shore leave.
It humanizes them.
Same with the Doctor doing unspeakable things to Robin Hood.
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The Lower Decks season premiere set a bar so ridiculously high that while there is objectively nothing wrong with the rest so far, I've actually been entirely underwhelmed.
The premiere is easily the best singular episode of the entire show.
Yeah, the tuvix episode was a high bar to set. Had me roaring. Overall imo good season though. Hard to discount when there have been some great moments. Boimler getting hooked on trashy ferengi TV was classic. The beta zed box getting blasted with the flute probe and missing its wife. Tendi being an Orion dominatrix.
Yeah, the tuvix episode was a high bar to set. Had me roaring. Overall imo good season though. Hard to discount when there have been some great moments. Boimler getting hooked on trashy ferengi TV was classic. The beta zed box getting blasted with the flute probe and missing its wife. Tendi being an Orion dominatrix.
The Tuvix episode was ridiculous.
When I realized what was going on I was rolling my eyes because anyone who has seen Voyager knows how stupid and awful that episode was.
So when Lower Decks went for it I was highly annoyed, because if there is one thing I want no more part of...its Tuvix.
But they nailed their satire. It was 1000% on point. How stupid and ridiculous it was and they just hammered on it over and over I was killing myself laughing.
That was top-notch Star Trek satire. The beautiful blend of loathing, self-deprecating humour and ridicule while still showing the love for the content and having fun with it? *Chef's Kiss*
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I groaned out loud when they started creating more tuvixes (Tuvii?) as their solution for ensuring no tuvix would be dissassembled. Grade A stuff.
I laughed so hard when the solution was to merge all the Tuvii together into one un-sentient mega-Tuvii meatball so there would be would no longer be any ethical concerns about their separation.
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