Israel declares war on Hamas

[Nage Waza]

All of your posts are followed up by multiple people educating you and have you once thought about what you learned? You keep digging.

We are all sickened by not just the violence, but by people continuing to share lies and misinformation meant to vilify Jews.

Jews and Israel are a tiny group, like there are more or less more jews in New York than Israel. Yet the UN and other groups focus their hate on Israel, representing the billions of people that hate Israel, continuing the vilification of Israel with bias and anti semitism. Certainly there are things we should care about, but they pale in comparison to how Palestinians treat Palestinians, Syria, Iran, China, North Korea, Russia…when you post that trash you are telling me you are infected, as they are. When you ignore the real villains and focus just on Israel, there is a problem.

As I have posted previously, I am calling out garbage because I strongly believe when you say what you say you are endorsing the hatred against Israel which leads to what took place. It needs calling out. There are lots of debate about Israel and any other country, but sharing known lies should be something we all stand together and dispute especially when that clearly leads to violence against jews.

[WCW Nitro]

For the "Israel just goes after terrorists crowd", the only way out for the people of Gaza into Egypt has been bombed for the third time in 24 hrs.


https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...second-day-afp


Gaza's sole border crossing with Egypt, the only entry point not controlled by Israel, was hit by an Israeli air strike Tuesday for the third time in 24 hours, an AFP photographer and an NGO said

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If it’s OK to express hatred for Palestinians or refer to them as animals, and defending Palestinians is defending Hamas, and Hamas needs to be executed or tortured and left to die, and if it’s OK to wish death on people who simply defend Palestinians… you have to assume that the same people who believe all of the above would be happy to exterminate all Palestinians.

I suspect if you took a poll of any of the people in this thread and asked them if they support literally any of these things - other than "Hamas needs to be executed" - they'd say no, more or less unanimously. Maybe you'd get one or two edgelords who say from behind their keyboards that turning Gaza into a parking lot is a reasonable and proportional response, but I kind of doubt it. So... yeah.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by woob

Can we maybe agree that calling someone sweetheart and cupcake, in a clearly derogatory manner, is not OK. Though the way this thread has gone, it's on long list of items that is not OK.

The politically charged threads on CP are full of personal insults. The mods more or less stopped policing them years ago.

What’s funny is that a couple posters who thanked your post have sneered at previous calls for mods to enforce the rules around personal attacks, saying people need to lighten up and stop being so thin-skinned.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by _Q_

From the river to the sea does not call for genocide. It is a call for decolonizing the land between the river jordan and the Mediterranean where palestinians can finally be free.

But again, just a way for you to paint an entire population with your racist fantasies.

What's your solution to all this? Ethnically cleansing the Palestinians?

My solution is what Russia did in Chechnya.

1. Eliminate the Hamas
2. Establish a puppet government
3. Pump a bunch of money into Gaza to improve people's lives

Did you study in Palestine? Tell us about the education system, how much of it blames Israel for everything? Is Israel shown as the enemy at schools? Are the people in Israel shown as equals? as people?

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by _Q_

From the river to the sea does not call for genocide. It is a call for decolonizing the land between the river jordan and the Mediterranean where palestinians can finally be free.

But again, just a way for you to paint an entire population with your racist fantasies.

What's your solution to all this? Ethnically cleansing the Palestinians?

Carving out some set land or territory for one particular group to "be free" never works. Look at everything from Israel itself to native reserves here in Canada. Eventually the dominant group will want to expand (Israeli settlements) sparking more conflict or the weaker group will become isolated and impoverished and abused. Its estimated that over 2 million people died as a result of violence from the partition of India and Pakistan as Hindus and Muslims suddenly had to separate. What works is finding a way for people to coexist and live together, to know their neighbors are also human beings, and stop dehumanising each other as enemies. Maybe that's the dream of Canada for many immigrants.

Unfortunately we know that is stupidly idealistic for the Levant. If only people could let of thousands of years of tribalism, ethnic/cultural associations, religious warring, and blood in the sand.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

My solution is what Russia did in Chechnya.

1. Eliminate the Hamas
2. Establish a puppet government
3. Pump a bunch of money into Gaza to improve people's lives

Did you study in Palestine? Tell us about the education system, how much of it blames Israel for everything? Is Israel shown as the enemy at schools? Are the people in Israel shown as equals? as people?

You are describing the PLO/West Bank. Palestinians are not only those in the 365km of the Gaza strip or those that support Hamas. The west bank and PLO have "officially" renounced violence and recognize the state of Israel. They recieve that pumped money, like half a billion in aid from various countries including the United States.

[woob]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The politically charged threads on CP are full of personal insults. The mods more or less stopped policing them years ago.

What’s funny is that a couple posters who thanked your post have sneered at previous calls for mods to enforce the rules around personal attacks, saying people need to lighten up and stop being so thin-skinned.

Quality response, Cliff. "Yeah, but!!!"

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The politically charged threads on CP are full of personal insults. The mods more or less stopped policing them years ago.

What’s funny is that a couple posters who thanked your post have sneered at previous calls for mods to enforce the rules around personal attacks, saying people need to lighten up and stop being so thin-skinned.

Probably the only good thing Yoho has ever done in here, is not comment in this thread.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Carving out some set land or territory for one particular group to "be free" never works. Look at everything from Israel itself to native reserves here in Canada. Eventually the dominant group will want to expand (Israeli settlements) sparking more conflict or the weaker group will become isolated and impoverished and abused. Its estimated that over 2 million people died as a result of violence from the partition of India and Pakistan as Hindus and Muslims suddenly had to separate. What works is finding a way for people to coexist and live together, to know their neighbors are also human beings, and stop dehumanising each other as enemies. Maybe that's the dream of Canada for many immigrants.

Unfortunately we know that is stupidly idealistic for the Levant. If only people could let of thousands of years of tribalism, ethnic/cultural associations, religious warring, and blood in the sand.

That is the point though.

Live side by side in a way where everyone in historic Palestine can be free. Not two ethnostates that are at war with each other.

It's not impossible to imagine it. It's not like the people in the Levant are genetically predisposed to being murderous maniacs. Not a perfect example, but look next door in Jordan. It is probably the most stable country in the Middle East and one of the safest in the world. The economy sucks, but life there is alright for all ethnic groups and religions. Jordanians visit Israel and vice versa all the time with no issue.

People in the levant can get along, they just need a reason to not hate each other.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

You are describing the PLO/West Bank. Palestinians are not only those in the 365km of the Gaza strip or those that support Hamas. The west bank and PLO have "officially" renounced violence and recognize the state of Israel. They recieve that pumped money, like half a billion in aid from various countries including the United States.

It's nothing compared to what Russia has in Chechnya. It would never fly in Israel. The Palestinians get far too much funding from outside to ever fall under Israel's true control.

Mahmoud Abbas is a straight up anti-semite:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...y-antisemitism

After these Hamas attacks, instead of condemning it, he came out with a statement reaffirming the Palestinian right to defend themselves.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by _Q_

From the river to the sea does not call for genocide. It is a call for decolonizing the land between the river jordan and the Mediterranean where palestinians can finally be free.

But again, just a way for you to paint an entire population with your racist fantasies.

What's your solution to all this? Ethnically cleansing the Palestinians?

Just stop, seriously. We all know exactly what it means, it means murdering or removing every jew...not just from israel either. It is disgusting that you support this stuff.

Israel is not a colony either, stop with your hateful rhetoric. It is a land that Israel has fully developed and embraced and opened to many people. It still exists because of Israel, had Israel not been there, do you really believe there would be a Palestine?

[TherapyforGlencross]

https://www.economist.com/middle-eas...-its-next-move

Hamas says it is expecting a ground invasion of Gaza. It is steadying the nerves of its population for the suffering that will follow. “Either we die slowly or we die taking the occupation with us,” says a Hamas official referring to Israel.

…

Israeli air power is pummelling Hamas, but the group believes that Israel’s list of targets is partial and outdated. It also thinks that Israel’s decision-making is impaired by internal political disputes and that the Jewish state may be ill-placed to win a ground war. Fighting in the densely populated strip will exact a steep humanitarian toll that could sway global public opinion against Israel and draw sympathisers elsewhere in the region into the fray, Hamas hopes.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I suspect if you took a poll of any of the people in this thread and asked them if they support literally any of these things - other than "Hamas needs to be executed" - they'd say no, more or less unanimously. Maybe you'd get one or two edgelords who say from behind their keyboards that turning Gaza into a parking lot is a reasonable and proportional response, but I kind of doubt it. So... yeah.

Except people have actually said all of those things. I’m not suggesting these are common or accepted positions, but the idea that “nobody” wants them is simply not true.

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The politically charged threads on CP are full of personal insults. The mods more or less stopped policing them years ago.

What’s funny is that a couple posters who thanked your post have sneered at previous calls for mods to enforce the rules around personal attacks, saying people need to lighten up and stop being so thin-skinned.

About as funny as you using a mental disability as a pejorative. When you’re trying to find the politically correct way to call someone the R-word, you should probably lighten up and take a break yourself.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Just stop, seriously. We all know exactly what it means, it means murdering or removing every jew...not just from israel either. It is disgusting that you support this stuff.

Israel is not a colony either, stop with your hateful rhetoric. It is a land that Israel has fully developed and embraced and opened to many people. It still exists because of Israel, had Israel not been there, do you really believe there would be a Palestine?

Oh really? Care to disagree with the founding fathers of Zionism then?

Jabotinsky:

A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE!… Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important… to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot – or else I am through with playing at colonizing.

Nordau:

Zionism rejects on principle all colonization on a small scale, and the idea of “sneaking” into Palestine. The Zionists have therefore devoted themselves preeminently to a zealous and tireless advocacy of the uniting of the already existing Jewish colonies in Palestine with those who until now have given them their aid and who of late have inclined towards the withdrawal of their support from them

People coming in boats to take land, by force, that doesn't belong to them is by definition, colonialism.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Except people have actually said all of those things. I’m not suggesting these are common or accepted positions, but the idea that “nobody” wants them is simply not true.

Well, be specific. You say, "the same people who believe all of the above would be happy to exterminate all Palestinians." Who are the specific people who believe all of the things you listed, and who you think would be "happy to exterminate all Palestinians?" Let's see if that's an accurate statement. I don't believe it is.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Heart breaking situation.

Unfortunately there are groups of both sides that don't want peace...Its a sad situation for those people just living their lives.

its not going to end well and just create more anger that will eventually bubble up to the surface again in the future...its the 'Forever War' that I can never see ending.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Just stop, seriously. We all know exactly what it means, it means murdering or removing every jew...not just from israel either. It is disgusting that you support this stuff.

Israel is not a colony either, stop with your hateful rhetoric. It is a land that Israel has fully developed and embraced and opened to many people. It still exists because of Israel, had Israel not been there, do you really believe there would be a Palestine?

Kind of irrelevant here, but it would be an interesting thought experiment...what would be there, who would rule it, would it be better or worse than now had the land never been set aside after WW1?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Well, be specific. You say, "the same people who believe all of the above would be happy to exterminate all Palestinians." Who are the specific people who believe all of the things you listed, and who you think would be "happy to exterminate all Palestinians?" Let's see if that's an accurate statement. I don't believe it is.

Happy to DM you if you want, but I’m not going to name the handful of people I’m referring to here when two of them already said they’d be happy to see me dead, just to appease you and make you believe me. Otherwise you’re free to read through the thread.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Oh really? Care to disagree with the founding fathers of Zionism then?

So you are going back in time how far? The British made the offer on the condition the land was for those that were there as well, accepted by the Zionists. The UN made the same offer, also accepted by the Zionists.

Trouble came when how many countries invaded Israel?

You pick and choose what supports your conspiracy. You aren't a scholar on the subject, yet you can dig out 100 year old quotes - only because they were spoon fed to you by someone whose goal is simple, eradicate Israel.

Which Palestinians are doing very well? Those that live in Israel. Who has better rights than anyone in Pakistan? Jews and Palestinian Israelis.