Israel declares war on Hamas

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Originally Posted by _Q_

huh?

Middle of an ethnic war? One where only one ethnicity is allowed to celebrate the death of the other? Why? Because they're more like "us"?

If Hamas' members were just dancing it'd be business as usual.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

It will never cease to amaze me that people in the LGBTQ community will stand by Palestine. That is so counter intuitive to have any compassion towards a group who voted in a government who would behead them and parade their severed skull through the streets.

Do you realize that the State of Palestine (through Jordan) legalized homosexuality in 1951, a full 18 years before Canada did? Do you realize that Israel didn't legalize homosexuality until 1988? Have you talked to gay people before? Do you think they can walk around everywhere in Western Society without getting brains bashed in by homophobes? How many proud gays do you think exist in rural Alberta, Saskatchewan or Montana? Is violence and vandalism in the West against gays indicative of some sort of "wickedness" in our society?

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...m-disturbances
Or do you think that we are allowed to only paint Arabs as barbaric and evil when incidents like these happen in their lands? White people are different right?

Do you also know that The Ottoman Empire was one of the first countries to legalize homosexuality. In 1858. Palestine, as a part of the Ottoman Empire didn't criminalize homosexuality until they came under Brittish rule. As indicated above, it was legalized pretty soon after they left, by Arabs, by Muslims, without having to be coaxed by self righteous Westerners like yourself. Brittain seemed to have followed their lead a couple decades after.

Do you also know that the current Finance Minister of Israel is a proud fascist and a homophobe?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotri...rd-is-my-word/

Either way, this is a distraction. What is going on in Palestine isn't a gay rights issue.

[FlamesAddiction]

As a side note, Gaza had a huge opportunity to build something great there. The whole place isn't crap hole. There are actually really beautiful hotels and resorts there. Beautiful beaches, pleasant climate. They could throw in a casino strip and become a gambling attraction like Beirut.

If they would lay down their arms, and for sure the ultra wealthy Arab countries in the region would invest on helping it develop a very lucrative tourist industry, if they support them as much as they say. Heck, if they laid down their arms, Israel would probably contribute.

They have potential to do a lot if they just laid down their weapons. If they are afraid of Israel attacking them even after demilitarizing, they could request a peace keeping force.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

As a side note, Gaza had a huge opportunity to build something great there. The whole place isn't crap hole. There are actually really beautiful hotels and resorts there. Beautiful beaches, pleasant climate. They could throw in a casino strip and become a gambling attraction like Beirut.

If they would lay down their arms, and for sure the ultra wealthy Arab countries in the region would invest on helping it develop a very lucrative tourist industry, if they support them as much as they say. Heck, if they laid down their arms, Israel would probably contribute.

They have potential to do a lot if they just laid down their weapons. If they are afraid of Israel attacking them even after demilitarizing, they could request a peace keeping force.

I'll tell you what. How about Israel lays down their arms instead? This whole racist colonialism thing isn't a good look. This is 2023 for God's sake.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

As a side note, Gaza had a huge opportunity to build something great there. The whole place isn't crap hole. There are actually really beautiful hotels and resorts there. Beautiful beaches, pleasant climate. They could throw in a casino strip and become a gambling attraction like Beirut.

If they would lay down their arms, and for sure the ultra wealthy Arab countries in the region would invest on helping it develop a very lucrative tourist industry, if they support them as much as they say. Heck, if they laid down their arms, Israel would probably contribute.

They have potential to do a lot if they just laid down their weapons. If they are afraid of Israel attacking them even after demilitarizing, they could request a peace keeping force.

Like I said before that was the vision of Rabin and Peres. They wanted to create free trade between Israel and Palestine which would have included people and goods. They wanted to build an elevated freeway to connect Gaza and the West Bank. I remember Palestinian investors had already drawn up plans for a casino resort in Jericho. Gaza could have been Palestine’s Jaffa. It still can.

EDIT: after some research the casino resort did get built in Jericho but shut down for several reasons.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Do you realize that the State of Palestine (through Jordan) legalized homosexuality in 1951, a full 18 years before Canada did? Do you realize that Israel didn't legalize homosexuality until 1988? Have you talked to gay people before? Do you think they can walk around everywhere in Western Society without getting brains bashed in by homophobes? How many proud gays do you think exist in rural Alberta, Saskatchewan or Montana? Is violence and vandalism in the West against gays indicative of some sort of "wickedness" in our society?

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...m-disturbances
Or do you think that we are allowed to only paint Arabs as barbaric and evil when incidents like these happen in their lands? White people are different right?

Do you also know that The Ottoman Empire was one of the first countries to legalize homosexuality. In 1858. Palestine, as a part of the Ottoman Empire didn't criminalize homosexuality until they came under Brittish rule. As indicated above, it was legalized pretty soon after they left, by Arabs, by Muslims, without having to be coaxed by self righteous Westerners like yourself. Brittain seemed to have followed their lead a couple decades after.

Do you also know that the current Finance Minister of Israel is a proud fascist and a homophobe?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotri...rd-is-my-word/

Either way, this is a distraction. What is going on in Palestine isn't a gay rights issue.

Cool, how is the LGBTQ community in Gaza today? Any elected Hamas members that are gay? Ever been to a gay bar there?

If it's so great and accepting, fly there with a pride flag, video tape yourself kissing someone of the same sex in front of some Hamas militants. You'll be fine I bet lol.

Anyways my original post was more of a knock on the gay people in this thread defending a group who would rather see their head on a spike.

https://www.humandignitytrust.org/co...ile/palestine/

"Discrimination and Violence
2022
In October, Ahmad Abu Murkhiyeh, a 25-year-old gay man, was found decapitated in Hebron. He had sought asylum in Israel two years prior to his murder."

But yeah keep making false equivalencies saying things are bad here. We don't decapitate here so stay in your lane.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Cool, how is the LGBTQ community in Gaza today? Any elected Hamas members that are gay? Ever been to a gay bar there?

If it's so great and accepting, fly there with a pride flag, video tape yourself kissing someone of the same sex in front of some Hamas militants. You'll be fine I bet lol.

Anyways my original post was more of a knock on the gay people in this thread defending a group who would rather see their head on a spike.

Gaza is an impoverished ####hole with a very conservative population. There is no equivalent in Canada. There might be in the US and I'm sure you would get a very similar reaction there as well.

I have been to a nightclub in Beirut however, and the number of gay men making out with each other would have raised some eyebrows even here.

[icarus]

Such a sad irony

A former federal minister of justice, Irwin Cotler, wrote online that Vivian Silver, 75, a Canadian-Israeli, was "violently taken from her home in Kibbutz Be'eri" on Saturday and "is now being held captive by Hamas in Gaza".

The peace activist from Winnipeg is the long-time director of the Arab Jewish Center For Empowerment, Equality, and Co-operation, a non-profit that has promoted a shared society for Arabs and Jews throughout Israel.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67056761

[PepsiFree]

The gays are over in FOI talking about juicy weiners. No person (gay, straight, or otherwise), however, is in here defending Hamas.

Dumb comment.

[PaperBagger'14]

MOD EDIT: Over the line

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I'll tell you what. How about Israel lays down their arms instead? This whole racist colonialism thing isn't a good look. This is 2023 for God's sake.

Well, mainly no country is going to want to inject large amounts of money into Gaza if they think militants are going to do something dumb again and get all the new infrastructure destroyed in the process.

If Gaza laid their weapons down, they would have nothing to fear from anyone.

Israel still faces grave danger from Iran, Hezbollah, Lebanon, and others, so laying down their weapons isn't an option.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I'd love nothing more for you to go to Gaza and tell the people there and Hamas exactly what you've said in this thread. Clearly you will never will, boy.

It’d be nice if people helped out in reporting crap like this. Being called disabled and unwell is water off a ducks back at this point, but people fantasizing about how you’d die and then telling you they’d love for you to be killed by terrorists is insane.

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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Well, they will have a large number of folks grieving the death of loved ones to jump on board after a few weeks. angry, ready to throw their lives away for revenge.


The cycle continues.

If Israel does nothing, Hamas treats this like a major victory, and every other militant group follows Hamas' lead.

[FlamesAddiction]

Everyone's favourite Chechen military leader is offering to send Chechen fighters there to join the Palestinians.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711623288663781805


The Taliban is also apparently trying to get their terrorists there as well. They apparently reached an agreement with Iran for passage. Iraq refused to take the call, and Jordan for their part said absolutely no. They could still get up through Syria though.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I'd love nothing more for you to go to Gaza and tell the people there and Hamas exactly what you've said in this thread. Clearly you will never will, boy.

Did you just call him "boy" without a hint of irony? Did you take a blow to the head today or something?

[Pointman]

Below is the link to an Arabic summary of the conflict.

Even though it is extremely one sided, for example siege of Gaza is called a war crime, while HAMAS's attacks somehow were not. However, we don't want to be inundated by millennia-long history and overwhelming list of murders, which were obviously mutual. Let's look at Arabian source, take it at face value, and look at big picture. The whole Palestinian argument is revolving around three main points:

1. Israel is not a "real" country, but a byproduct of some political games (Belfour's letter and such).

2. Palestinians used to live on the land, at some arbitrary picked point in history (no map of Kingdom of Israel in that land is provided, as if the history of region called "cradle of civilizatios" somehow started at 1917).

3. Israelis treat Palestinians like dirt (as if Palestinians don't rush to Internet to share their treatment of Israelis).

Isn't it EXACTLY what Putin said of Ukraine? Remember his pre-invasion speech about how Ukraine is not a real country, but a byproduct of political games?

The very idea that a nation can invade the land just because it used to live there at some point needs to die - isn't it precisely what free world has been telling russians for last 20 months?

The whole such thinking is very archaic and belongs to 18th century - wasn't it the message of democracies to Russian agressors?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...a-simple-guide

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Do you think no footage exists of israelis dancing in the streets at the killing of palestinians? Hell, go back a couple of pages. Someone already posted one example.

The thing with Gaza is that you can't throw a stone in any direction without hitting civilian complex or a militant complex, and they are often one and the same. When Israeli's celebrate, it's because they hit legitimate military targets. The sad part about that is there is also a lot of civilian collateral damage just because of how Hamas operates and the population density there. They put their military weapons in civilian buildings. Hamas wants civilian collateral damage so the media can get images of suffering for the purpose of hurting Israel's image.

[Manhattanboy]

Gut wrenching stories all over the news of families hoping for the safe return of their loved ones. All they can do is have faith.

[jeffman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Everyone's favourite Chechen military leader is offering to send Chechen fighters there to join the Palestinians.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711623288663781805


The Taliban is also apparently trying to get their terrorists there as well. They apparently reached an agreement with Iran for passage. Iraq refused to take the call, and Jordan for their part said absolutely no. They could still get up through Syria though.

Didn’t Afghanistan and Iran just have a border clash recently?maybe iran is just using the talibs as cannon fodder and have enemies killing enemies while they sit back with pop corn

[Manhattanboy]

And…. lovely video of a large pro Palestinian rally in Australia with loud chants of “Gas the Jews!!!”.

Seems anti-semitism is more than alive and well in the land down under.

CBS News reporting anti-semitism rhetoric up 500% since the Hamas atrocities of Saturday. What a ####ed up world.