Israel declares war on Hamas

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Can someone explain to be the whole water supply to Gaza part?
I'm admittedly ignorant on a lot of this conflict, but why would Israel be expected to supply water and electricity to Hamas controlled regions?

Israel and Palestine signed an agreement in the early 1990s for water supply and water resources. It was a collective agreement but the Israeli never really lived up to the agreement and when Netanyahu and subsequently Hamas gained control the agreement was basically scrapped and Palestinian projects were scrapped and attacked.

The Israelis have limited/restricted and attacked attempts to provide water to Gaza from the West Bank for years.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Also you fail to mention that this was largely still britished controlled land. They controlled the land and fought against the Arab rebellions.

You also failed to mention from 1944 to 1948 the under ground Jewish movement also took action against the British in the region because of the white papers that were signed in to law in1939. So the region was British controlled but had to fight the Arabs and jews . The british eventually gave controle to the jews and fought as allies to control the Arab uprisings you mentioned.

I don't know maybe educate your self on what mandatory Palistine is,the Belfour declaration, the leuguebof nations for Palestine,and Intercommunal conflict in Mandatory Palistine

Then come back informed with an opinion.

Clearly as a ex brit/ canadian you clearly don't know your own history. The problems started waayy before ww2 .

Here's the thing there is no one alive in Gaza that lost their land to Jews before world war 2 or in '49 or '67, probably none in '72 either equally there are no Jews alive who lost their land in the diaspora of 132 AD, all of this is the history of people now dead and none of it justifies anything, Israel exists because it beat the #### out of anyone that tried to eff with it and in that process, just like a every other country in the world, it captured land, that land is Israel's by right of conquest, which is how all country's are made, it didn't even start those wars, it defended itself from attack.

I have disagreed with Israel's policy from a practical point of view but I can't fault them morally, they get attacked, rockets have fired from Gaza by the thousands for the last 20 years, they shoot back, I dont see anything morally wrong with this.

I also do not see any way to appease Hamas or Palestinians in general, they want Israel to cease to exist, there is no middle way here, if Israel gave Hamas twice as much land as Gaza has now would that stop the attacks? they want Israel to cease to exist, they want to kill all the Jews, that is their stated aim, if this was two kids beefing I would just accept one kid has to pound out the other until they are utterly beaten to end the beef, sometimes there is no peaceful middle way

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Getting some serious ISIS vibes here.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711426615878549786

The videos of Israelis being beheaded by Hamas terrorists certainly did.

[rubecube]

I should add that I'm not defending Hamas or their actions. Some absolutely barbaric stuff.

However, acting as if the Israeli government is innocent in this conflict, or that noting leading up these attacks influenced them is ridiculous.

Unfortunately, when the State is too powerful to attack directly, civilians become the targets.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I should add that I'm not defending Hamas or their actions. Some absolutely barbaric stuff.

However, acting as if the Israeli government is innocent in this conflict, or that noting leading up these attacks influenced them is ridiculous.

Unfortunately, when the State is too powerful to attack directly, civilians become the targets.

What’s about to be unleashed on them will more than “even the score.”

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711403440016920744

[flamesgod]

I feel for the people of Palestine. They’ve had a very rough go of it for a long time. What’s about to be unleashed on them, well who knows for sure. I can’t even imagine the day to day struggle. We are very fortunate.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

… they get attacked, rockets have fired from Gaza by the thousands for the last 20 years, they shoot back, I dont see anything morally wrong with this.

I wonder if the blockade of Gaza has anything to do with Hamas smuggling thousands of rockets into the territory and firing them into Israel.

It’s also curious that - in a dramatic contrast with Ukraine’s neighbours - none of the Arab countries in the region accept Palestinian refugees.

[Manhattanboy]

In a parallel universe Gaza is the Monaco or Singapore of the Middle East. There’s an elevated freeway across the Negev Desert with high speed rail and power and water to the West Bank, which has free trade with Israel.

This was not some fantasy. It was the actual plan of not any Palestinian leader, but Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres.

I genuinely feel for the people of Gaza as well who live under the brutal fist of Hamas. They have never had any choice in the matter. I suspect the overwhelming majority would support coexistence with Israel and wish Hamas never existed.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I wonder if the blockade of Gaza has anything to do with Hamas smuggling thousands of rockets into the territory and firing them into Israel.

It’s also curious that - in a dramatic contrast with Ukraine’s neighbours - none of the Arab countries in the region accept Palestinian refugees.

Look up Black September and you will see why

[Mr.Coffee]

Convincing Iran to not get nukes is about to become even more challenging…. Those poor negotiators…

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I wonder if the blockade of Gaza has anything to do with Hamas smuggling thousands of rockets into the territory and firing them into Israel.

It’s also curious that - in a dramatic contrast with Ukraine’s neighbours - none of the Arab countries in the region accept Palestinian refugees.

Israel didn't start their blockade until after Hamas was in power. Israel, in fact, first withdrew all Israeli citizens from Gaza and left their infrastructure. Then Hamas started a civil war with the Palestinian Authority, took over the Gaza Strip, began to attack Israel with rockets, and only then did Israel put the blockade in place.

Treating Hamas like a response to the Israeli blockade is a total distortion of history. It was the exact opposite, as the blockade was a response to Hamas and it occurred after Israel had offered a massive olive branch, in a total withdrawal from Gaza.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I should add that I'm not defending Hamas or their actions. Some absolutely barbaric stuff.

However, acting as if the Israeli government is innocent in this conflict, or that noting leading up these attacks influenced them is ridiculous.

Unfortunately, when the State is too powerful to attack directly, civilians become the targets.

Yeah there is no “good guy” in this situation.

[Manhattanboy]

With all the wars and terrorist attacks that Israel has suffered in its history it’s hard to believe more Jews were murdered in a single day on Saturday since the Holocaust. Hamas will always have that on its resume.

There’s no way Israel stands down.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Yoho

What’s about to be unleashed on them will more than “even the score.”

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711403440016920744

Imagine how much of an inhumane, mouth-breathing psychopath you'd have to be to actively cheer for this escalation.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Generally, a total siege that blocks millions of civilians from receiving food and water would be considered a war crime. Sieges are legal when they're done strictly against military targets and civilians are allowed to leave the encircled area, but that's unlikely to happen here.

Muddying things though, is the Gaza-Egypt border. It remains to be seen whether Israel will enforce a blockade there and/or whether Egypt will also keep the crossing closed.

Looks like they are moving forward with it.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711378144660517335

[Manhattanboy]

Re post 373 I wonder if Palestinian Canadians who cheered for the Hamas atrocities at their rallies this weekend appreciated that.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Imagine how much of an inhumane, mouth-breathing psychopath you'd have to be to actively cheer for this escalation.

Imagine you creating your own narrative.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by blankall

Israel didn't start their blockade until after Hamas was in power. Israel, in fact, first withdrew all Israeli citizens from Gaza and left their infrastructure. Then Hamas started a civil war with the Palestinian Authority, took over the Gaza Strip, began to attack Israel with rockets, and only then did Israel put the blockade in place.

Treating Hamas like a response to the Israeli blockade is a total distortion of history. It was the exact opposite, as the blockade was a response to Hamas and it occurred after Israel had offered a massive olive branch, in a total withdrawal from Gaza.

It doesn't seem quite that simple because while Israel pulled out of Gaza it still controlled the border and restricted the movement of Palestinians in and out of Gaza which was a big part of the issue and likely a part of the reason why Hamas was elected. Palestinians wanted more control and freedom of their territory and people.

[ripTDR]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Imagine how much of an inhumane, mouth-breathing psychopath you'd have to be to actively cheer for this escalation.

Not cheering for it here, it’s out of anyone’s control but if there was ever a definition of FAFO this is it

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Imagine how much of an inhumane, mouth-breathing psychopath you'd have to be to actively cheer for this escalation.

I suspect you are referring to Hamas leadership and the mullahs in Iran.