2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[transplant99]

Well they have exactly 2 NHL Dmen signed beyond this season as of today.

So if they have turned their attention to Hanifin, and to a lesser extent Tanev, it makes a lot of sense.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

IFlames offered $8.3x8
Lindholm countered with $9.3x8
Flames countered with $8.6x8
Lindholm’s response was $9.3x8

Note to self: Never buy anything from Lindholm off Kijiji.

[Nelson]

Lindholm at 8.6-9.3 AAV and 8 years seems really risky to me given the other contracts the team has.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Trade him. I was on board on re-signing lindholm considering flames refuse to rebuild. But over $9 million is a non starter for me.

So, hypothetically you would be fine with $8.95 but over $9 is a nonstarter?……okay.

If Lindholm wants over $9, I would be fine with that. I would just counter with a reduced NTC. If a full NTC is on the table, then drop that to 10-15 teams, or no teams at all after four years. You could also add no bonus provisions so the Flames could buy him out, if need be.

Annual salary is just one item to negotiate.

[Redrum]

It's encouraging the Flames didn't get tunnel vision on Lindholm. Thank Satan, if those numbers are accurate.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Lindholm at 8.6-9.3 AAV and 8 years seems really risky to me given the other contracts the team has.

But it's still a better contract than Huberdeau/Kadri imo.

Like they must just be counting on Kadri going on LTIR in a few years.

[Nelson]

Conroy has been an extremely patient GM so far. I’ve been very impressed. He waited on Backlund and eventually signed him to a great contract. I have faith.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by TOfan

So, hypothetically you would be fine with $8.95 but over $9 is a nonstarter?……okay.

If Lindholm wants over $9, I would be fine with that. I would just counter with a reduced NTC. If a full NTC is on the table, then drop that to 10-15 teams, or no teams at all after four years. You could also add no bonus provisions so the Flames could buy him out, if need be.

Annual salary is just one item to negotiate.

Because of the 8th year that flames can offer i was hoping $8.8 million. So to me yes $500,0000 more a year is way to much. You can’t just start giving everybody an extra $500,000 a year. There is a cap and you have to save Pennie’s everywhere to ice a very competitive team

[trackercowe]

I see Jake Muzzin retired and was added to the staff. Muchlike Duncan Kieth and the Oilers. So that's the new scam in the NHL? Have them "retire", only to pay them the same salary while not having them play for the team. He might be hurt/injured, but so is every other player. I doubt it was a career ending injury.

I'm getting extremely sick and tired of all the schemes and manoeuvres to get around the cap. It's just so damn obvious, and yet nothing will be done about it.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I see Jake Muzzin retired and was added to the staff. Muchlike Duncan Kieth and the Oilers. So that's the new scam in the NHL? Have them "retire", only to pay them the same salary while not having them play for the team. He might be hurt/injured, but so is every other player. I doubt it was a career ending injury.

I'm getting extremely sick and tired of all the schemes and manoeuvres to get around the cap. It's just so damn obvious, and yet nothing will be done about it.

I don’t like it either but wouldn’t have a problem with it if flames did it near the end of hubby and kadri contract . Lol

[DJones]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don’t like it either but wouldn’t have a problem with it if flames did it near the end of hubby and kadri contract . Lol

36 year old consultant Kadri does have a nice ring to it.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I see Jake Muzzin retired and was added to the staff. Muchlike Duncan Kieth and the Oilers. So that's the new scam in the NHL? Have them "retire", only to pay them the same salary while not having them play for the team. He might be hurt/injured, but so is every other player. I doubt it was a career ending injury.

I'm getting extremely sick and tired of all the schemes and manoeuvres to get around the cap. It's just so damn obvious, and yet nothing will be done about it.

Guys have legitimate career ending injuries. It’s something that happens. This should be obvious if you’ve ever watched one game of it being played.

Muzzins, in this case, is a spinal injury.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I see Jake Muzzin retired and was added to the staff. Muchlike Duncan Kieth and the Oilers. So that's the new scam in the NHL? Have them "retire", only to pay them the same salary while not having them play for the team. He might be hurt/injured, but so is every other player. I doubt it was a career ending injury.

I'm getting extremely sick and tired of all the schemes and manoeuvres to get around the cap. It's just so damn obvious, and yet nothing will be done about it.

It’ll work in our favour in a few years.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I think the best move for the future of the team is to let the first half of the season play out with these guys unsigned. If they play hard due to their UFA status, then you'll either a) fetch a healthy return at the TDL because they've played their stock up or b) convince the UFAs you want to remain part of the picture in yyc to sign here after a good first half for the team where the unsigned guys pulled their weight.

Jumping on a contract that the team didn't prefer just to lock these guys down and eliminate the extra incentive to perform well at the outset seems like the poorest strategy.

Seeing how pedestrian Lindholm has looked through camp reinforces this more for me. The one thing this team cannot afford is investing big dollars into three forwards long term that won't bring anywhere near full value for said contracts.

I'd sooner let the UFAs go elsewhere and have the team hit reset than watch them try to work around that much dead/wasted cap for years just trying to remain a bubble, but not truly competitive team.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman on 32 thoughts podcast says...

Further from 32 Thoughts.

Friedman notes he's heard "87.7M" as the next salary cap. We know the salary cap can only grow by 5% right now, so the current cap is at 83.5, add 5% and you get yourself to 87.675.

John Bean spoke pretty openly in the fireside whatever thing about 50/50 split actually being close to $100m, but that the 5% stipulation in the CBA extension will keep it increasing at 5%.

So we can probably pretty safely predict that these are the next 4 salary cap ceilings:

24/25: $86.675
25/26: $92.058
26/27: $96.662
27/28: $101.495

So I can see an argument where Lindholm is positioning his $9.3M ask as:

10.7%
10.1%
9.6%
9.2%

...and I still absolutely do not want a $9M Lindholm. He's not worth it today, and I don't think he's worth 10% or even 9% of the cap.

[MrMike]

Why not Zadorov?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Because of the 8th year that flames can offer i was hoping $8.8 million. So to me yes $500,0000 more a year is way to much. You can’t just start giving everybody an extra $500,000 a year. There is a cap and you have to save Pennie’s everywhere to ice a very competitive team

Point taken and one wouldn’t argue too strongly against but you also have to bear in mind one could make a pretty strong argument that Lindholm is the best C this team has had since Nieuwendyk. If the Flames choose to let him go/ trade him there is no immediate replacement and considering it took 20+ years to replace Nieuwendyk it be a long time before a comparable replacement is found.

A second thing to consider is if the Flames do give Lindholm that extra $500K a year, how do you reconcile that with their playoff projections and anticipated revenue? There’s good reason to believe that if they do trade Lindholm their playoff chances take a significant hit for the foreseeable future. Is that $500K a year worth, essentially, taking a backward step? Given how this originization has gone about their business, I bet they continue to try and keep the team together and operate as a playoff team.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman on 32 thoughts podcast says:

Flames haven't gotten to where Lindholm needs the contract to be to re-sign
Thinks number is going to $9 million

Thinks that Flames may shift focus and start looking at Tanev and Hanifin if they can't get Lindholm done in the short term

Thinks they will be careful with term on Tanev like they were with Backlund

Surprised that Hanifin discussions are taking place but he thinks they are happening

May try to get one or both of Tanev and Hanifin done and go back to Lindholm and see what he says.

That's quite the turn of events with Hanifin.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I don't think Tanev would survive another multi year type of extension. Absllute warrior, but has some hard miles on the odometer.

I'd only entertain extending him ala Mike Stone, on a year to year basis.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I see Jake Muzzin retired and was added to the staff. Muchlike Duncan Kieth and the Oilers. So that's the new scam in the NHL? Have them "retire", only to pay them the same salary while not having them play for the team. He might be hurt/injured, but so is every other player. I doubt it was a career ending injury.

I'm getting extremely sick and tired of all the schemes and manoeuvres to get around the cap. It's just so damn obvious, and yet nothing will be done about it.

It is a cervical spine injury and he has been told by medical professionals that he could do serious/life altering damage if he continued to play.

Yes...that is the very definition of career ending.