2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[Fuzz]

A French Canadian soldier, no less. So it's named after a Canadian who fought with George Washington.


https://detroithistorical.org/learn/...k-colonel-john

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

A French Canadian soldier, no less. So it's named after a Canadian who fought with George Washington.


https://detroithistorical.org/learn/...k-colonel-john

Like...in a Boxing ring? Did Ol' George wear his stovepipe hat?

That would have been worth the price of admission!

[Fuzz]

Ron Clark, a conspiratorial streamer who was active in the Ottawa Occupation as well as subsequent anti-government and anti-LGBTQ+ events and who is participating in the "Save the Children East Meets West" convoy posted the addresses of the two camp sites that people are to meet at, but it is clear that there are... uhm... problems:

Videos at link.


https://anti-racistcanada.blogspot.c...dren-east.html


It's all good society, you can relax. These people are going to save our children.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Videos at link.


https://anti-racistcanada.blogspot.c...dren-east.html


It's all good society, you can relax. These people are going to save our children.

OMG, that's hilarious. I think they've found the casting tapes for Idiocracy 2.

[Fuzz]

LOL. This convoy of 30 redneck losers is going about as well as you'd expect. I think the worst part is the vertical video though. Get it together, people.


The video below the text: "The following three clips were posted by Chris Dacey:" is fun. Watch a loser get plowed into a crosswalk, tazed, and the "videographer" yell at the cops about suing their balls off.

https://anti-racistcanada.blogspot.c...voy-lacks.html


Can we maybe pay for a mental health supports for these people? They all seam to have absolutely lost their grip on reality.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

LOL. This convoy of 30 redneck losers is going about as well as you'd expect. I think the worst part is the vertical video though. Get it together, people.


The video below the text: "The following three clips were posted by Chris Dacey:" is fun. Watch a loser get plowed into a crosswalk, tazed, and the "videographer" yell at the cops about suing their balls off.

https://anti-racistcanada.blogspot.c...voy-lacks.html


Can we maybe pay for a mental health supports for these people? They all seam to have absolutely lost their grip on reality.

we will have to pay as these losers are going to get all their bank accounts frozen again. CP Go fund me for Yolo?

[Fuzz]

They are clearly mentally ill, and as a member of society that values looking out for everyone, I have no problem with tax dollars going to mental health to support these people. They've lost contact with reality and society in general and are doing harm to themselves and others.


We should all have access to free mental health support, but that's an issue for another thread.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

They are clearly mentally ill, and as a member of society that values looking out for everyone, I have no problem with tax dollars going to mental health to support these people. They've lost contact with reality and society in general and are doing harm to themselves and others.


We should all have access to free mental health support, but that's an issue for another thread.

I think most of these guys will go down guns ablazing before they voluntary go to seek mental help.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

They are clearly mentally ill, and as a member of society that values looking out for everyone, I have no problem with tax dollars going to mental health to support these people. They've lost contact with reality and society in general and are doing harm to themselves and others.


We should all have access to free mental health support, but that's an issue for another thread.

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I think most of these guys will go down guns ablazing before they voluntary go to seek mental help.

I think most have had a frontal lobectomy.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I think most of these guys will go down guns ablazing before they voluntary go to seek mental help.

I did not use that word.

[Sliver]

I think there's a large element of complicity in their "mental illness," though, that should limit taxpayer-funded intervention (except to punish them when they enter the realm of illegality).

It's like rioters after a hockey game...they can get caught up in the moment and become unhinged by just being a part of the herd. Are they mentally ill? IDK, guess it's some sort of temporary insanity or something, but it's not like they should receive free counseling from the government for being idiots.

That's these right-wing numbskulls. I've watched a family member descend into their weirdness. Basically was my best friend growing up, but hanging out with him now means tolerating hearing about all the crazy things "leftists" are doing and how DS has common sense and knows how to get stuff done. Anti-trans, anti-immigrant, Trudeau is literally evil and is going to come door-to-door to inspect homes for guns, etc. etc. The usual stupidity.

The thing is, you could fix this guy - I'm sure - by basically resetting his YouTube algorithm. It's not some messed up wiring in his head that needs addressing so I don't think therapy is the answer; the answer is taking away the stupid right-wing BS he's injecting straight into his veins.

Onesie/twosie fixing these people with therapy won't work. Are there even enough mental-health experts to help the normies out there struggling with anxiety, stress, depression, etc? You want to take our thin mental health resources and direct them at all the high-order dopes waving upside down Canadian flags and putting "proud member of a fringe minority" stickers on their Ford Fiestas? Maybe it's easier and better to crack down on right-wing disinformation. I swear this would be sorted out in six months and all these tits would go back to normalish.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Sliver

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The thing is, you could fix this guy - I'm sure - by basically resetting his YouTube algorithm. It's not some messed up wiring in his head that needs addressing so I don't think therapy is the answer; the answer is taking away the stupid right-wing BS he's injecting straight into his veins.

Onesie/twosie fixing these people with therapy won't work. Are there even enough mental-health experts to help the normies out there struggling with anxiety, stress, depression, etc? You want to take our thin mental health resources and direct them at all the high-order dopes waving upside down Canadian flags and putting "proud member of a fringe minority" stickers on their Ford Fiestas? Maybe it's easier and better to crack down on right-wing disinformation. I swear this would be sorted out in six months and all these tits would go back to normalish.

I mostly agree with your post. I don’t know that trying to suppress the misinformation is the correct angle. People will find it, and if they see the ‘government’ trying to hide it or take it away, they will dig their heels in even further. Misinformation should be front and center, openly talked about, debated, and debunked.

Easier said than done though, I have no idea how you bring the misinformation to light, so this can happen.

[wireframe]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I think there's a large element of complicity in their "mental illness," though, that should limit taxpayer-funded intervention (except to punish them when they enter the realm of illegality).

It's like rioters after a hockey game...they can get caught up in the moment and become unhinged by just being a part of the herd. Are they mentally ill? IDK, guess it's some sort of temporary insanity or something, but it's not like they should receive free counseling from the government for being idiots.

That's these right-wing numbskulls. I've watched a family member descend into their weirdness. Basically was my best friend growing up, but hanging out with him now means tolerating hearing about all the crazy things "leftists" are doing and how DS has common sense and knows how to get stuff done. Anti-trans, anti-immigrant, Trudeau is literally evil and is going to come door-to-door to inspect homes for guns, etc. etc. The usual stupidity.

The thing is, you could fix this guy - I'm sure - by basically resetting his YouTube algorithm. It's not some messed up wiring in his head that needs addressing so I don't think therapy is the answer; the answer is taking away the stupid right-wing BS he's injecting straight into his veins.

Onesie/twosie fixing these people with therapy won't work. Are there even enough mental-health experts to help the normies out there struggling with anxiety, stress, depression, etc? You want to take our thin mental health resources and direct them at all the high-order dopes waving upside down Canadian flags and putting "proud member of a fringe minority" stickers on their Ford Fiestas? Maybe it's easier and better to crack down on right-wing disinformation. I swear this would be sorted out in six months and all these tits would go back to normalish.

It seems like Youtube and other big platforms are trying to address this. New users are now less likely to slide down the National Post > Joe Rogan > Jordan Peterson > full on Nazi rabbit hole. https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...litics/675186/. This does nothing for your friend though, who is probably far enough that he's seeking this nonsense out.


A lot of misinformation has moved to huge WhatsApp or Signal groups. A lot of the world outside N. America (and immigrant populations in N. America) get their misinformation this way now. That's going to be even harder to stop because the encrypted messages can't even be checked by the moderating algorithms.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I think there's a large element of complicity in their "mental illness," though, that should limit taxpayer-funded intervention (except to punish them when they enter the realm of illegality).

It's like rioters after a hockey game...they can get caught up in the moment and become unhinged by just being a part of the herd. Are they mentally ill? IDK, guess it's some sort of temporary insanity or something, but it's not like they should receive free counseling from the government for being idiots.

That's these right-wing numbskulls. I've watched a family member descend into their weirdness. Basically was my best friend growing up, but hanging out with him now means tolerating hearing about all the crazy things "leftists" are doing and how DS has common sense and knows how to get stuff done. Anti-trans, anti-immigrant, Trudeau is literally evil and is going to come door-to-door to inspect homes for guns, etc. etc. The usual stupidity.

The thing is, you could fix this guy - I'm sure - by basically resetting his YouTube algorithm. It's not some messed up wiring in his head that needs addressing so I don't think therapy is the answer; the answer is taking away the stupid right-wing BS he's injecting straight into his veins.

Onesie/twosie fixing these people with therapy won't work. Are there even enough mental-health experts to help the normies out there struggling with anxiety, stress, depression, etc? You want to take our thin mental health resources and direct them at all the high-order dopes waving upside down Canadian flags and putting "proud member of a fringe minority" stickers on their Ford Fiestas? Maybe it's easier and better to crack down on right-wing disinformation. I swear this would be sorted out in six months and all these tits would go back to normalish.

I was at a funeral last week for a friend from high-school, so there were a handful of my former classmates gathered to talk afterward. I'm not sure exactly what the topic was, but suddenly the guy beside me said out of the blue, verbatim: "WEF. It's all Klaus Schwab and the WEF. Look into it. He's admitted to infiltrating governments." He was dead serious, and as I looked at the other guy beside me it took all our collective will to not allow our brains to leak out of our heads.

Now, this guy is perfectly capable at the general idea of life. He has kids, is married, has a long-running business he owns and operates, is a true expert in his field, has an extensive social network, etc. However, it didn't surprise me in the slightest that this fell out of his mouth. Let's just say that if I were to pick one person at the table that would be into that, it would have been him.

In this case I think cutting off the flow of this kind of nonsense would certainly help, but he's also the type of person that would find another well of nonsense to fill that hole. He's not mentally ill (as far I know or could tell), he's just not that bright of a fella, and while I think he has critical thinking skills they are pretty well limited to various efforts of confirmation bias.

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I mostly agree with your post. I don’t know that trying to suppress the misinformation is the correct angle. People will find it, and if they see the ‘government’ trying to hide it or take it away, they will dig their heels in even further. Misinformation should be front and center, openly talked about, debated, and debunked.

Easier said than done though, I have no idea how you bring the misinformation to light, so this can happen.

I've always said strengthening education systems at the basic level is a major solution. Start teaching kids at a young age better critical thinking skills and strategies, and incorporate a strong curriculum that develops critical media awareness. I'm not sure how they teach children to be prepared for post-secondary education these days, but I was blindsided when I got to University and had to re-learn how to do proper research and sourcing. Courses on quantitative and qualitative research/data, methodology, and so on earlier in life would be instrumental for developing adults to understand and identify misinformation.

Then it's just a matter of patience as we let a new generation take over and wait for the dummies of our own to die off or become irrelevant. Apart from some kind of tyrannical "re-education" system we're likely not bringing a lot of these people back unless you're really patient and involved in helping an individual find their way out of these rabbit holes. For my old buddy it's just not worth the effort to me.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I mostly agree with your post. I don’t know that trying to suppress the misinformation is the correct angle. People will find it, and if they see the ‘government’ trying to hide it or take it away, they will dig their heels in even further. Misinformation should be front and center, openly talked about, debated, and debunked.

Easier said than done though, I have no idea how you bring the misinformation to light, so this can happen.

Unfortunately, research, debate, and debunking all take time and effort. Misinformation spreads like wildfire and is usually met with “that sounds reasonable or believable” and “you know what I heard” responses. There is always a gap between who hears the misinformation and who hears the debunking, and a time lag in being debunked.

Misinformation is incredibly dangerous, and condoning that it should be front and center to me is irresponsible. Change that to “debunked misinformation should be front and center” and I would be more inclined to agree

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Unfortunately, research, debate, and debunking all take time and effort. Misinformation spreads like wildfire and is usually met with “that sounds reasonable or believable” and “you know what I heard” responses. There is always a gap between who hears the misinformation and who hears the debunking, and a time lag in being debunked.

Misinformation is incredibly dangerous, and condoning that it should be front and center to me is irresponsible. Change that to “debunked misinformation should be front and center” and I would be more inclined to agree

Ya. That is what I meant. I would also like the debating to be front and center, so everyone understands why and how the information is debunked.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Ya. That is what I meant. I would also like the debating to be front and center, so everyone understands why and how the information is debunked.

I think that just as many people would pay attention to those debates as the election debates - only those passionate about the topic.

Take Daniel Dale and his fact checking as an example. Front and Center but didn’t reach the target audience.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Ya. That is what I meant. I would also like the debating to be front and center, so everyone understands why and how the information is debunked.

You can't "debate" with people spewing complete nonsense. A proper debate relies on good faith, positions based in some way on logic and reason, and the ability to have your argument be falsified. These people just lie and move the goalposts when proven wrong.

Like, how do you even begin to debunk "the government is going to lock you in your city and make you eat bugs" in a way that's going to convince the sad sack people who've bought into that? They're not swayed by new information or even reality, so why would a debate change their opinions? All it does is emboldens them further by giving the grifters that propagate that kind of thing more attention. You might as well debate flat earthers.

And that doesn't even get into the fact that debates are a terrible way to judge anything. If you put a charismatic charlatan who is a skilled debater spewing a bunch of nonsense up against an expert in a field providing facts and logic, the former is probably going to come out on top in the eyes of the average person. Particularly if they're saying things that people want to hear (like blaming others for their problems).

[PepsiFree]

Danielle Smith stood up in a public debate, lied to everyone, and people who want debates to be “in the open” still voted for her. People will believe whatever they want to believe, regardless of how the information is shared.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Danielle Smith stood up in a public debate, lied to everyone, and people who want debates to be “in the open” still voted for her. People will believe whatever they want to believe, regardless of how the information is shared.

Says the guy who still defends Trudeau at every turn.