Grizzly bear kills two people in Banff National Park

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I think you help your odds of ensuring you get home alive if you're not biking (a few cougar attacks in recent years), trail running (woman in Yellowstone was trail running as well as the U of C prof near waiparous, or so reports said), or bringing dogs.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I think you may be misremembering or conflating the attacks as according to this 2021 article, there has only been one fatal cougar attack in Alberta history.

https://www.rmoutlook.com/banff/fran...-banff-3297155

I may be off on the dates, gah, 01? Not 06-07? Getting old sucks.

I know the other one happened too but perhaps she didn't die but was mauled pretty badly in K-Country.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Not true. My buddy encountered one riding up the Smith Dorian and his shorts had to be put down after.

Search and Rescue retrieved the mortally wounded apparel?

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by Sliver

CP: Make lots of noise when hiking.
Sliver: I use bear bangers - they make a noise specifically designed to deter bears.
CP: That's obnoxious.
Also CP: Make lots of noise when you're hiking.

Like, I can't even. This place - as much as I love it - is so fricken weird.

Would I fire off a bear banger before pitting in for the night at my campsite? Absolutely. To me it's just a sensible and proactive precaution. I don't know if it would have saved these people, but I'm definitely doubling down on my bear bangers after this situation.

Do you think this criticism would come from just CP? It's not CP criticism its common sense. Bear bangers aren't supposed to be used for just convenience. They're used for ACTUAL encounters. There is a big difference between making noise and using and explosive deterrent.

Bear bangers also have the potential to cause fires if used incorrectly. Wouldn't be a great outcome if everyone started to "double down" every time they pitched a tent in the back country. Besides, what about other people potentially in the area? You are going to fire off bangers and flag to everyone that a bear is in the area when there isn't?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Search and Rescue retrieved the mortally wounded apparel?

Or a surprise colonoscopy in the bush? Hard to say.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Sliver

CP: Make lots of noise when hiking.
Sliver: I use bear bangers - they make a noise specifically designed to deter bears.
CP: That's obnoxious.
Also CP: Make lots of noise when you're hiking.

Like, I can't even. This place - as much as I love it - is so fricken weird.

Would I fire off a bear banger before pitting in for the night at my campsite? Absolutely. To me it's just a sensible and proactive precaution. I don't know if it would have saved these people, but I'm definitely doubling down on my bear bangers after this situation.

CP: A quick little honk can be a good way to let someone not paying attention know that the light is green
Sliver: I put seven train horns on my car for just this reason
CP: That's obnoxious
Sliver: Hypocrites!

[pylon]

I understand the reasoning by keeping National Parks gun free, but I I've always felt they should offer backcountry firearms permits for National parks hikers. Specifically for defence firearms. I don't think a lot of people realize where they actually were. They are nowhere near the Banff townsite by Yaha-Tinda. You access that area through Sundre, and it's 50-60 kms of gravel and logging roads to access. I don't know the exact national park border, but I do know that within kms of Yaha-Tinda, you can carry a rifle with zero issues as it's crown land.

Obviously you would have to have a PAL/RPAL in good standing and limit it to only Shotguns and/or high calibre handguns like trappers carry. It's already lawful if you meet the requirements.

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firear...rization-carry

I find it kinda silly that you forfeit your right to predator defense if you cross an imaginary line in the backcountry and enter a National Park. Basically the legislation already exists. And there's a reasonable chance at least one of these people are still alive if they were armed with a shotgun.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I find a few special exceptions that apply in national parks to be questionable. And the fact that a piece of land connected to everything which in many cases has few markers to denote its boundaries operates on its own stringent laws.

They've taken the concept of a park, and turned that up to 11.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Or a surprise colonoscopy in the bush? Hard to say.

Could be that he manscaped, though.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I find a few special exceptions that apply in national parks to be questionable. And the fact that a piece of land connected to everything which in many cases has few markers to denote its boundaries operates on its own stringent laws.

They've taken the concept of a park, and turned that up to 11.

They really haven't.

[Ryan Coke]

You can also get bearspray from Canadian Tire.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

They really haven't.

Eh, in your opinion.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by pylon

I understand the reasoning by keeping National Parks gun free, but I I've always felt they should offer backcountry firearms permits for National parks hikers. Specifically for defence firearms. I don't think a lot of people realize where they actually were. They are nowhere near the Banff townsite by Yaha-Tinda. You access that area through Sundre, and it's 50-60 kms of gravel and logging roads to access. I don't know the exact national park border, but I do know that within kms of Yaha-Tinda, you can carry a rifle with zero issues as it's crown land.

Obviously you would have to have a PAL/RPAL in good standing and limit it to only Shotguns and/or high calibre handguns like trappers carry. It's already lawful if you meet the requirements.

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firear...rization-carry

I find it kinda silly that you forfeit your right to predator defense if you cross an imaginary line in the backcountry and enter a National Park. Basically the legislation already exists. And there's a reasonable chance at least one of these people are still alive if they were armed with a shotgun.

Yeah, I'd be a lot more comfortable with a 45 or an elephant rifle or something. It's wild we have to go into the woods without adequate protection.

Good luck getting that change made, though. Just look at people lose their minds and flap around in circles if you - heaven forbid - use a bear banger...a harmless device literally designed to scare bears away because apparently that makes you the biggest ####### ever.

[Ryan Coke]

So, is Sliver really this dense, or is it just his schtik? I thought it was just his goofy online persona, but I’m starting to wonder.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Eh, in your opinion.

You are the one making the claim. What part of it is "turned up to 11"? Protection of wildlife? Not having a chain link fence and flashing lights to denote the boundary? The fact is, if you are in the back country and you don't know if you are in the park or not, you shouldn't be in the back country. You've already failed basic navigation.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It gets a bit weird for me though how humans basically just categorize different species essentially based on how cute they are and then in some instances seem to prioritize them above humans. It’s actually super weird when you think about it.

Shooting ducks and hunting deer? AOK! Grizzly bear shot? The horror, because look at how beautiful they are? Weird. Step on ants? Who cares! Rats? They’re gross! Pheasants? Shoot ‘em up!

What about wasps?

[habernac]

The Canmore lady, who was a great mountain bike racer, was killed by a grizzly, not a cougar.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by pylon

I understand the reasoning by keeping National Parks gun free, but I I've always felt they should offer backcountry firearms permits for National parks hikers. Specifically for defence firearms. I don't think a lot of people realize where they actually were. They are nowhere near the Banff townsite by Yaha-Tinda. You access that area through Sundre, and it's 50-60 kms of gravel and logging roads to access. I don't know the exact national park border, but I do know that within kms of Yaha-Tinda, you can carry a rifle with zero issues as it's crown land.

Obviously you would have to have a PAL/RPAL in good standing and limit it to only Shotguns and/or high calibre handguns like trappers carry. It's already lawful if you meet the requirements.

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firear...rization-carry

I find it kinda silly that you forfeit your right to predator defense if you cross an imaginary line in the backcountry and enter a National Park. Basically the legislation already exists. And there's a reasonable chance at least one of these people are still alive if they were armed with a shotgun.

Can you explain how that would fit in with the mission statement and mandate of the Parks?



https://parks.canada.ca/agence-agency/mandat-mandate


I think sometimes people forget why we have parks.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Is this the ultimate Sliver thread?

Depends, were the people that died teachers?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Buff

What about wasps?

They can die, I’ll allow it.