10-02-2023, 08:25 AM
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Craig McTavish' Merkin
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We've all seen deer, sometimes in our own back yards. They roam all over the place doing deer stuff, and aren't really that remarkable.
But bears are something special. It's a privilege to encounter them in their habitat. Maybe it's the danger or just the awe of seeing an apex predator in the wild. There are webcams set up to watch them hunt and fish.
So I'd say call a bear's death tragic is an apt description.
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10-02-2023, 08:28 AM
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#43
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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
It gets a bit weird for me though how humans basically just categorize different species essentially based on how cute they are and then in some instances seem to prioritize them above humans. It’s actually super weird when you think about it.
Shooting ducks and hunting deer? AOK! Grizzly bear shot? The horror, because look at how beautiful they are? Weird. Step on ants? Who cares! Rats? They’re gross! Pheasants? Shoot ‘em up!
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I'm against shooting animals for sport or hunting in general but clearly there's a difference between shooting a duck and killing an animal that is declared a threatened species. There's not an abundance of brown bears out there so it's always unfortunate when one has to be put down.
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10-02-2023, 08:32 AM
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#44
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My face is a bum!
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They had an off leash dog with them apparently (not legal in national parks).
People with off leash dogs make up half of bear attacks, according to a Calgary researcher. Bears have some serious hunting instincts when it comes to dogs and their relatives.
What a shame that a decision to let a dog roam around may have ended the lives of 2 people and a bear.
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10-02-2023, 08:38 AM
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#45
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
It gets a bit weird for me though how humans basically just categorize different species essentially based on how cute they are and then in some instances seem to prioritize them above humans. It’s actually super weird when you think about it.
Shooting ducks and hunting deer? AOK! Grizzly bear shot? The horror, because look at how beautiful they are? Weird. Step on ants? Who cares! Rats? They’re gross! Pheasants? Shoot ‘em up!
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You are right that humans in general make moral distinctions between animals on an arbitrary basis. The term for this is speciesism where you gauge an animals value based on morally irrelevant traits. Why is a dog more important than a pig because they have paws instead of hooves? Pigs are significantly more intelligent than dogs in fact. To me the rule of thumb whether we ought to have moral concern for a given animal is whether they possess sentience or not. Sentient creatures in my view should be given a baseline level of moral concern. Namely that we shouldn't exploit or kill them without reasonable justification. Stepping on an ant as a matter of course=unfortunate but not immoral. Intention is a huge factor when assessing a moral crime. There is a world of moral difference between accidentally running over a dog and intentionally swerving to hit a dog for instance. Shoving pigs into gas chambers so we can have a BLT when we could easily choose to eat something else=immoral.
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10-02-2023, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DownInFlames
We've all seen deer, sometimes in our own back yards. They roam all over the place doing deer stuff, and aren't really that remarkable.
But bears are something special. It's a privilege to encounter them in their habitat. Maybe it's the danger or just the awe of seeing an apex predator in the wild. There are webcams set up to watch them hunt and fish.
So I'd say call a bear's death tragic is an apt description.
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There are webcams set up to watch people play videogames. I don’t really know if that’s a particularly compelling argument for bears being special.
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10-02-2023, 08:40 AM
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#47
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I don’t know when people started thinking it was okay to bring dogs into the back country. You didn’t see it 20 years ago. Seems to have become normalized at about the time when owners started referring to their dogs a ‘fur babies.’
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10-02-2023, 08:45 AM
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#48
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Craig McTavish' Merkin
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
There are webcams set up to watch people play videogames. I don’t really know if that’s a particularly compelling argument for bears being special.
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You started with comparing bears to prey animals and now you're saying they're as low as Twitch streamers?
A bridge too far, mate.
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10-02-2023, 08:54 AM
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In Your MCP
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Yep. As soon as I saw a dog was involved I was thinking it was off leash and provoked the attack.
Dog goes after grizzly, grizzly eliminates all perceived threats around it. Grizzlies for the most part don't "hunt" people, they largely leave us alone unless they see us as a threat. Pretty unfortunate.
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10-02-2023, 08:56 AM
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evil of fart
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Originally Posted by Bill Bumface
They had an off leash dog with them apparently (not legal in national parks).
People with off leash dogs make up half of bear attacks, according to a Calgary researcher. Bears have some serious hunting instincts when it comes to dogs and their relatives.
What a shame that a decision to let a dog roam around may have ended the lives of 2 people and a bear.
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Get that bear on a rascal and then we'll talk.
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10-02-2023, 08:58 AM
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#51
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
I don’t know when people started thinking it was okay to bring dogs into the back country. You didn’t see it 20 years ago. Seems to have become normalized at about the time when owners started referring to their dogs a ‘fur babies.’
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My uncle has done logging and tree planting in BC back country for decades, they always had dogs with them specifically to warn for bears.
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10-02-2023, 08:59 AM
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#52
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
So by the transitive property, people also taste like bacon?
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Oh dear, the directions these threads take...
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10-02-2023, 09:08 AM
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In Your MCP
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Originally Posted by burn_this_city
My uncle has done logging and tree planting in BC back country for decades, they always had dogs with them specifically to warn for bears.
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Black bears I can see, they're giant raccoons and super skittish. Had one in my yard Friday and it wanted nothing to do with people. Dogs will tree them right away.
Was your uncle armed? I wouldn't want to be around a grizzly that is being harassed by dogs. It would want to kill everything in sight.
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10-02-2023, 09:09 AM
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#54
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Join Date: May 2016
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Originally Posted by DownInFlames
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It's delicious... I have heard.
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10-02-2023, 09:13 AM
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damn onions
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I'm against shooting animals for sport or hunting in general but clearly there's a difference between shooting a duck and killing an animal that is declared a threatened species. There's not an abundance of brown bears out there so it's always unfortunate when one has to be put down.
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This at least has some logic behind it but now do other endangered animals we don’t care about. There’s lots.
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10-02-2023, 09:14 AM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
I don’t know when people started thinking it was okay to bring dogs into the back country. You didn’t see it 20 years ago. Seems to have become normalized at about the time when owners started referring to their dogs a ‘fur babies.’
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People have taken dogs everywhere for tens of thousands of years.
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10-02-2023, 09:29 AM
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#57
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Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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I think there's a difference between the dogs of foragers and city raised fur babies in a backcountry environment.
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10-02-2023, 09:32 AM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary Satellite Community
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Originally Posted by Tron_fdc
Yep. As soon as I saw a dog was involved I was thinking it was off leash and provoked the attack.
Dog goes after grizzly, grizzly eliminates all perceived threats around it. Grizzlies for the most part don't "hunt" people, they largely leave us alone unless they see us as a threat. Pretty unfortunate.
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Its a theory but certainly a big assumption as well.
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10-02-2023, 09:36 AM
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#59
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Sliver
Get that bear on a rascal and then we'll talk.
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10-02-2023, 09:50 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Tron_fdc
Black bears I can see, they're giant raccoons and super skittish. Had one in my yard Friday and it wanted nothing to do with people. Dogs will tree them right away.
Was your uncle armed? I wouldn't want to be around a grizzly that is being harassed by dogs. It would want to kill everything in sight.
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They were armed depending on the area and time of year.
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