2023/2024 English Premier League Thread

[d_phaneuf]

Now looking forward to klopps post game comments

[Slava]

Six minutes was garbage, but let’s just have the final whistle.

[The Big Chill]

I still want to see the explanation for the Diaz offside call. If that one is wrong, which it looks like from the still images, then that is a game changing call considering Spurs scored just moments after that.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

I still want to see the explanation for the Diaz offside call. If that one is wrong, which it looks like from the still images, then that is a game changing call considering Spurs scored just moments after that.

It was so quick too, they've spent minutes on oned that were obvious only to speed through this which didnt even draw the lines on screen

[Locke]

Well that sucked.

[Spurs]

It’s unfortunate that the game was ruined by refs/VAR so it ended up being a dud game in terms of play.

[Senator Clay Davis]

PGMOL admits they ####ed up. Zero consolation to Liverpool fans, and since nothing will change it's a fairly hollow statement.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Spurs

It’s unfortunate that the game was ruined by refs/VAR so it ended up being a dud game in terms of play.

PGMOL has admitted that Luis Díaz had a goal incorrectly ruled out for offside in Liverpool's 2-1 defeat at Tottenham Hotspur on Saturday.

The VAR, Darren England, checked the decision but ruled that the on-field decision of offside was correct. However, no offside lines were displayed on the screen during what was a quick review.

A statement issued by PGMOL read: "PGMOL acknowledge a significant human error occurred during the first half of Tottenham Hotspur v Liverpool.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/...llow-diaz-goal

It was actually an exciting game to watch, but very frustrating.

I can see where Levy spent most of that Harry Kane money...

[Senator Clay Davis]

I also can't help by laugh at "human error". Literally everyone watching could see it was close enough for the lines to be drawn if nothing else, and to the naked eye he looked clearly on, but they somehow missed it? The only people who mattered? Embarrassing.

[The Big Chill]

That’s rough. There is always going to be subjectivity when it comes to fouls, but offside is the one area VAR is supposed to be able to remove that uncertainty. That is a terrible, game altering fail.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

That’s rough. There is always going to be subjectivity when it comes to fouls, but offside is the one area VAR is supposed to be able to remove that uncertainty. That is a terrible, game altering fail.

The offsides have been ruined by VAR entirely. They should intervene in times like this. Then we get these agonizing waits for a guy to be deemed offside by a shoelace. It’s a disastrous implementation, and I’m really not sure who would be happy with it in its current form?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Locke

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/...llow-diaz-goal

It was actually an exciting game to watch, but very frustrating.

I can see where Levy spent most of that Harry Kane money...

I thought the match was poorly officiated, going both ways. That’s really nothing new though, and it seems to happen every week?

The VAR debacle aside, those were both obvious reds. One is a leg breaker that absolutely got to be given even if it’s harsh. And the second is just Jota being dumb and losing his head in the moment.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by Slava

The offsides have been ruined by VAR entirely. They should intervene in times like this. Then we get these agonizing waits for a guy to be deemed offside by a shoelace. It’s a disastrous implementation, and I’m really not sure who would be happy with it in its current form?

Agreed. I still hate the way it’s implemented. Losing the excitement of celebrating goals in real time is just way too costly.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

Agreed. I still hate the way it’s implemented. Losing the excitement of celebrating goals in real time is just way too costly.

Yeah and for me it’s every single goal now, for or against. You’re just not sure that it’s good, and some of the reviews are taking forever. And in all honesty, I feel like every team has felt aggrieved at some point by now. I know it was that way before VAR, but at least then you could celebrate and not find out five minutes later it was disallowed.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Slava

I thought the match was poorly officiated, going both ways. That’s really nothing new though, and it seems to happen every week?

The VAR debacle aside, those were both obvious reds. One is a leg breaker that absolutely got to be given even if it’s harsh. And the second is just Jota being dumb and losing his head in the moment.

I'll agree with CuJo's. The way his foot travels over the ball was dangerous.

But Jota got his first yellow for a Spurs player tripping over his own feet. The second yellow was certainly warranted though.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'll agree with CuJo's. The way his foot travels over the ball was dangerous.



But Jota got his first yellow for a Spurs player tripping over his own feet. The second yellow was certainly warranted though.

You're definitely more of an expert than I am, but on the CuJo red, what's the defender supposed to do in that situation? It's a clean challenge if the foot doesn't slip over the ball. It's not like it was malicious or reckless, IMO.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You're definitely more of an expert than I am, but on the CuJo red, what's the defender supposed to do in that situation? It's a clean challenge if the foot doesn't slip over the ball. It's not like it was malicious or reckless, IMO.

It wasnt intended to be, but the result was that it could have been pretty dangerous.

I mean, I get what Klopp is saying in that its difficult to judge a real-time event in slow-motion, but when CuJo's foot goes over that ball and into the player's leg? Thats dangerous.

Ultimately, thats just an unfortunate play and I think he has to take that Red on the chin, but despite the Ref being a clown for 99% of the night, I dont have an issue with that one.

[Delthefunky]

From what I understand too is that the ref didn't have any context when deferring to VAR for the first red. It only shows a freeze frame of the outcome, not of his foot scoffing the ball. I think VAR has been a disaster this year, not just this game with the botched offside, but most other games I've watched too (Onanas clear foul in early United match as an example).

[Addick]

Originally Posted by Locke

It wasnt intended to be, but the result was that it could have been pretty dangerous.

In general, I think there is a dangerous lack of consideration of other players' welfare and safety with tackles in the English game. While Jones may not have recklessly abandoned caution for the other player's safety and the probability of the actual outcome was low, it was still discernibly dangerous and put the other player at undue risk of serious injury. As such, I have to agree it should be a red even though it may seem a bit harsh.

Originally Posted by Delthefunky

It only shows a freeze frame of the outcome

While the ref was able to watch moving footage, I believe the issue was that the pitch-side TV he used to review the play was paused on Jones' foot on the other player's leg. It unnecessarily influences the ref's decision even if it they get it correct in the end.

[The Big Chill]

The reason for the offside error is pretty bad… VAR thought the on field call was onside, so they just confirmed the call.

They should have just used the usual excuse that their line thingys weren’t working. How do they not correct that mistake once they see the game restart at 0-0?