I’m sure comparing someone who disagrees with you to a climate change denier is a super serious way to have a conversation in your head. The same place where your position was so clear it must be everyone else who is the problem.
Yeah. Really. Great assessment of the situation here bud.
I correctly pointed out that you used a term that climate change deniers use, for what seems to be the same function that they use it for, which is to make those who raise awareness of a serious problem seem like emotionally-driven doom-&-gloom zealots. While that's not exactly "comparing you to climate change deniers" in the general sense, it's pointing out one similarity to them and, quite frankly, it's justified in this case.
I did recall real instances of me meeting Americans, but I really do appreciate how the great and all-knowing PepsiFree knows my own personal experiences better than I do, and knows that I clearly have some motivation to lie on an internet forum about the details of those meetings. Really is big of you to accuse me of lying about the events of my own life, and this is the low you had to stoop to win an argument on CP. The reality is they were young Americans, in their 20s, who had little more than a passing interest in politics. They remembered hearing about the Ford cocaine scandal in the news and thought it was amusing, but didn't really know much about Canada other than that. Are they the best examples of the American electorate? No, but they don't have to be. They spotlight a crucial problem with the American election system. Only a few thousand people in a few swing states need to be hoodwinked by lies and propaganda to swing the outcome of a presidential election. The people I mentioned are just the type of low-information voters that could put Trump back in the WH. Images of Zelenskyy pumping his fists while the Canadian parliament applauds a Nazi could push some of these folks toward Trump. You think I'm making this up for... some nefarious purpose or something? My only motivation for posting in the off topic forum here is that I'm worried about the direction the world is heading in. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. But I do take exception to your persistent attempts to belittle me and make what I'm talking about seem insignificant, even to the point of today reaching a new low and accusing me of lying.
This whole thing kind of reminds me of the Markstrom thread where I was very concerned that Markstrom's poor play would torpedo the Flames season and, oh look at that, it did. And I called for changes to be made during the season, as the season was lost in my eyes had the status quo been maintained. And look at that, the status quo was maintained and the season was lost. But hey, it's an unwritten rule at CP that Mathgod is not allowed to be right about anything, and if he ever is it's only because broken clocks are right twice a day, and he doesn't have a brain and doesn't know how to assess situations, and he's always wrong and clueless in every situation, and the great and all-knowing fountain of knowledge PepsiFree will always be able to tell you exactly why.
That's right, Mathgod is wrong about everything. There was never any reason to worry about misinformation spreading online, never any reason to worry about the spread of right wing, anger-&-fear driven ideologies. Donald Trump was never the President of the United States, Bolsonaro never President of Brazil, right wing populists aren't gaining support all over the world, Brexit never happened, Putin never installed himself as dicator for life in Russia, and Ovechkin definitely didn't spend his whole life worshipping said dictator. Faith in democracy and democratic institutions in western nations isn't at a historically low point. And most of all, public support for continued military support for Ukraine hasn't been slipping in recent months (even if poll after poll continues to show that it is); you're better off ignoring that babbling fool Mathgod and his endless fear mongering.
Well, maybe that's the truth of the matter. Or, maybe it's something very different...
Maybe you got it wrong when you said I was worried about the Russian population being hoodwinked (I was actually worried about NATO populations being hoodwinked). And then you got it wrong again when you misrepresented my position, accusing me of saying that NATO countries would change course directly on Russia's word. Then you got it wrong a third time when you accused me of lying about people I've met.
So tell me again how it was too early to panic about Markstrom, or how there's absolutely no way Ovechkin could have spoken out against Putin or even removed his instagram photo (hint: Zadorov's parents live in Russia), or how higher property taxes equate to "kicking elderly people out of their homes and spitting on them on the way out".
Maybe, just maybe, you're full of ####. Maybe you're a callous, smug pr### who only cares about looking like a tough guy on an internet forum and the smartest guy in the room, and will say anything you can to belittle people who disagree with you.
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Called it. I mean not that it was a particularly tough call.
Called what?
The speaker acts on behalf of parliament not any specific party.
He doesn't caucus with the LPC.
Edit: I think I misunderstood your original post. If you were going down the path of this isn't a partisan issue, but rather the CPC is scoring cheap points, then I agree.
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Yeah. Really. Great assessment of the situation here bud.
I correctly pointed out that you used a term that climate change deniers use, for what seems to be the same function that they use it for, which is to make those who raise awareness of a serious problem seem like emotionally-driven doom-&-gloom zealots. While that's not exactly "comparing you to climate change deniers" in the general sense, it's pointing out one similarity to them and, quite frankly, it's justified in this case.
I did recall real instances of me meeting Americans, but I really do appreciate how the great and all-knowing PepsiFree knows my own personal experiences better than I do, and knows that I clearly have some motivation to lie on an internet forum about the details of those meetings. Really is big of you to accuse me of lying about the events of my own life, and this is the low you had to stoop to win an argument on CP. The reality is they were young Americans, in their 20s, who had little more than a passing interest in politics. They remembered hearing about the Ford cocaine scandal in the news and thought it was amusing, but didn't really know much about Canada other than that. Are they the best examples of the American electorate? No, but they don't have to be. They spotlight a crucial problem with the American election system. Only a few thousand people in a few swing states need to be hoodwinked by lies and propaganda to swing the outcome of a presidential election. The people I mentioned are just the type of low-information voters that could put Trump back in the WH. Images of Zelenskyy pumping his fists while the Canadian parliament applauds a Nazi could push some of these folks toward Trump. You think I'm making this up for... some nefarious purpose or something? My only motivation for posting in the off topic forum here is that I'm worried about the direction the world is heading in. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. But I do take exception to your persistent attempts to belittle me and make what I'm talking about seem insignificant, even to the point of today reaching a new low and accusing me of lying.
This whole thing kind of reminds me of the Markstrom thread where I was very concerned that Markstrom's poor play would torpedo the Flames season and, oh look at that, it did. And I called for changes to be made during the season, as the season was lost in my eyes had the status quo been maintained. And look at that, the status quo was maintained and the season was lost. But hey, it's an unwritten rule at CP that Mathgod is not allowed to be right about anything, and if he ever is it's only because broken clocks are right twice a day, and he doesn't have a brain and doesn't know how to assess situations, and he's always wrong and clueless in every situation, and the great and all-knowing fountain of knowledge PepsiFree will always be able to tell you exactly why.
That's right, Mathgod is wrong about everything. There was never any reason to worry about misinformation spreading online, never any reason to worry about the spread of right wing, anger-&-fear driven ideologies. Donald Trump was never the President of the United States, Bolsonaro never President of Brazil, right wing populists aren't gaining support all over the world, Brexit never happened, Putin never installed himself as dicator for life in Russia, and Ovechkin definitely didn't spend his whole life worshipping said dictator. Faith in democracy and democratic institutions in western nations isn't at a historically low point. And most of all, public support for continued military support for Ukraine hasn't been slipping in recent months (even if poll after poll continues to show that it is); you're better off ignoring that babbling fool Mathgod and his endless fear mongering.
Well, maybe that's the truth of the matter. Or, maybe it's something very different...
Maybe you got it wrong when you said I was worried about the Russian population being hoodwinked (I was actually worried about NATO populations being hoodwinked). And then you got it wrong again when you misrepresented my position, accusing me of saying that NATO countries would change course directly on Russia's word. Then you got it wrong a third time when you accused me of lying about people I've met.
So tell me again how it was too early to panic about Markstrom, or how there's absolutely no way Ovechkin could have spoken out against Putin or even removed his instagram photo (hint: Zadorov's parents live in Russia), or how higher property taxes equate to "kicking elderly people out of their homes and spitting on them on the way out".
Maybe, just maybe, you're full of ####. Maybe you're a callous, smug pr### who only cares about looking like a tough guy on an internet forum and the smartest guy in the room, and will say anything you can to belittle people who disagree with you.
This post doesn’t do much to dispel the notion of the bolded, nor does it make you seem any more honest given that I actually know how our past conversations have gone and how often you like a bit of embellishment, but go off, king.
I do take offence to being called callous, though. I moisturize religiously.
And of course our narcissistic PM was nowhere to be seen today. Just what was he doing? Oh ya the House sits so many days in a year how can he possibly be expected to show up given his oh so important calendar. What an ####### he is.
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Justin Ling comes through...great piece that has a lot of background on Hunka, and how this isn't as simple as some portray. Please read!
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With that background, let’s get a few things out of the way, before we embark any further. I’m putting them in bullet points so they’re abundantly clear:
While you can play with words — does one need to be a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party to be a Nazi? Is fighting with the Nazis the same as fighting for the Nazis? — it doesn’t change the material reality that Hunka was under the command of the Schutzstaffel and in the Nazi chain of command.
While you can have complicated feelings about those who were pressed into service to fight for the Nazis, or those who volunteered for complicated reasons, we should agree that it’s wrong to applaud any veteran of the SS for their service.
The Russian accusation that the Ukrainian state is stuffed with Nazis is disinformation — but, like all good narratives, it contains kernels of truth. This scandal is not Russian disinformation, but it sure helps those Kremlin narratives.
There’s no but here. Hunka should have never been invited, and he certainly shouldn’t have been applauded. Rota resigned on Tuesday: Good.
Yeah well in the twitter post a couple pages back, Hunka made some pretty damning statements as recently as 2011 against Polish people, and praised the fuhrer. Pushing a narrative like this poor soul had no choice but to fight with nazis instead of embracing their ideology and being a good, proud fascist is quite the display of mental gymnastics.
Also the idea that small kernels of truth lie in there being nazis in the Ukrainian military, but its overblown due to Russian propaganda is even more insulting. Our own intelligence agencies have been warning our govt for years that we are supplying material support to nazi groups in the Ukrainian military.
This doesn't excuse Russia of its BS, but we don't need to turn a blind eye to issues because it's inconvenient to our hand that we've played all in on.
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Maybe you want to tell us how Nazis are just misunderstood and we shouldn't have such an allergy to our parliament applauding a former SS trooper.
It's especially strange coming from someone who has Ukrainian insignia as their avatar.
It will blow over with time as anything does, but this incident has made Canada the laughing stock of the world for at least a few days/weeks.
If these people are our elected officials, how dumb is the average Canadian?
Just shameful, and the worst part, completely self-inflicted.
Its crazy how people don't have the ability to look at something in a bilateral lens anymore.
Nazis are scum.
Putin is scum.
Why does one have to do anything with the other? Is there are Nazi elements in the Ukraine military that are fighting against the Russians, Ukraine needs to either disband them, bring them in line, change their focus, whatever. But can we still call the idea of Nazism wrong even if they are fighting for the 'good side?'
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But can we still call the idea of Nazism wrong even if they are fighting for the 'good side?'
Of course, but I think it's disingenuous to call this guy a Nazi just because he was a member of the 14th division. All you need to do is look at the campaign to recruit the volunteers; it's all aimed at making strides toward an independent Ukraine by fighting Bolshevism and the Poles. Ideologically, its members had very little in common with German national-socialists.
Of course, but I think it's disingenuous to call this guy a Nazi just because he was a member of the 14th division. All you need to do is look at the campaign to recruit the volunteers; it's all aimed at making strides toward an independent Ukraine by fighting Bolshevism and the Poles. Ideologically, its members had very little in common with German national-socialists.
Imagine, not calling a guy that was part of the Waffen SS a Nazi........
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What's even more embarrassing is an opposition party that is so tone-deaf to what Canadians will vote for, and chock full of bigots and religious nutters, that they can't win an election against this incompetent band of idiots.
When Albertans vote for the PPC it is because they are morons and idiots
When Canadians vote for the Liberals it is because the PPC party are morons and idiots
If only everyone could be an enlightened as the NDP and Liberal voters who sit on a message board l day during working hours !
When Albertans vote for the PPC it is because they are morons and idiots
When Canadians vote for the Liberals it is because the PPC party are morons and idiots
If only everyone could be an enlightened as the NDP and Liberal voters who sit on a message board l day during working hours !
Am I doing this right ?
Blackface Mr. Dressup has been one of the worst prime ministers ever and he is going to win 3 elections in a row.
Maybe not nominate right wing deplorable dinosaurs and you might have a chance to win an election.
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Blackface Mr. Dressup has been one of the worst prime ministers ever and he is going to win 3 elections in a row.
Maybe not nominate right wing deplorable dinosaurs and you might have a chance to win an election.
Oh I understand why the PPC doesn’t get elected Federally and the changes they need to make
That’s why I don’t complain hourly in the thread .
It doesn’t change the Fact (we’ll my opinion) that voting for this federal liberal party has done as much harm to this country as any previous leader, and thusly anyone voting for them must be “a moron “
Oh I understand why the PPC doesn’t get elected Federally and the changes they need to make
That’s why I don’t complain hourly in the thread .
It doesn’t change the Fact (we’ll my opinion) that voting for this federal liberal party has done as much harm to this country as any previous leader, and thusly anyone voting for them must be “a moron “
overdramatic. How much harm has blackface really done to this country? He is an idiot but at least he listens to science. How effed would we be if the Reform Party was in charge when Covid hit?
How many people would have lost their homes if the Libs didn't veto Harper and Flaherty's request to lax bank laws to dabble in sub prime mortagages back in 2007?
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So you’re going back to the boogeyman argument that this government isn’t terrible ?
“We’ll it’s horrible , but imagine what could have happened ?”
It just amazes (well no it is t a surprise at all ) me the same people in the provincial thread who decry an in power provincial party for what they have done (or say they will do) defend the existing federal party because (thing could be worse ) - the exact argument most people pro PPC say in the provincial thread (they are worried what the NDP would do to the long term economic environment of Alberta)
Do you honestly not see any irony when you read both threads ?
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When Albertans vote for the PPC it is because they are morons and idiots
When Canadians vote for the Liberals it is because the PPC party are morons and idiots
If only everyone could be an enlightened as the NDP and Liberal voters who sit on a message board l day during working hours !
So you’re going back to the boogeyman argument that this government isn’t terrible ?
“We’ll it’s horrible , but imagine what could have happened ?”
It just amazes (well no it is t a surprise at all ) me the same people in the provincial thread who decry an in power provincial party for what they have done (or say they will do) defend the existing federal party because (thing could be worse ) - the exact argument most people pro PPC say in the provincial thread (they are worried what the NDP would do to the long term economic environment of Alberta)
Do you honestly not see any irony when you read both threads ?
Not at all. The fear is that the CPC will do exactly what the UPC is doing. And that fear isn't unfounded. So we have a clear example of just how horrible a government to be, and what, we aren't supposed to fear that the same type of government in Federal power would also be horrible? Seems pretty logical to me.
Not at all. The fear is that the CPC will do exactly what the UPC is doing. And that fear isn't unfounded. So we have a clear example of just how horrible a government to be, and what, we aren't supposed to fear that the same type of government in Federal power would also be horrible? Seems pretty logical to me.
Vs the government who has proved to be horrible ? It’s literally the exact same argument . People didn’t like the NDPs last time in government and didn’t /won’t vote for them
I can buy voting NDP federally and complaining provincially . Voting Liberals ? Give me a break if you are complaining about the same people voting conservative in the provincial politics thread
. Then you got it wrong a third time when you accused me of lying about people I've met.
