Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Flames0910]

Here we go again.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Helpfully, data about inter-provincial migration was not available to the report writers. This is from page 51 of the report:



There’s also this fun fact in the report:

A pretty simple google search showed a report from the Fraser Institute (complaining about health care burden on BC), that showed in 2020 Alberta had a positive net inter-provincial migration of people 65+ but BC had ~4x the volume of net migration and Ontario also had higher net migration, basically everywhere else was equal or negative. Because Quebec has their own pension scheme and far and away had the highest net negative inter-provincial 65+ migration, it makes the report a little hard to shake out. But fair to assume a fair amount of pension contributions from Alberta a being paid out in BC because of migration.

Point being the benefit of this program is individualized, so looking at the net benefit for a province when all individuals regardless of province are being treated equally is a bit of a misnomer at best.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

It really is unfortunate to see how many posters are incapable of objectively discussing content without attacking the people who have opposing views.

There have been no real opposing views that show anything. The closest one is this crap

Originally Posted by Yoho

That’s ok just knowing you Ontarian’s would be footing the whole bill for CPP after would make it worth it.

But we should just stoke their hair while telling them they are right

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by #-3

A pretty simple google search showed a report from the Fraser Institute (complaining about health care burden on BC), that showed in 2020 Alberta had a positive net inter-provincial migration of people 65+ but BC had ~4x the volume of net migration and Ontario also had higher net migration, basically everywhere else was equal or negative. Because Quebec has their own pension scheme and far and away had the highest net negative inter-provincial 65+ migration, it makes the report a little hard to shake out. But fair to assume a fair amount of pension contributions from Alberta a being paid out in BC because of migration.

Point being the benefit of this program is individualized, so looking at the net benefit for a province when all individuals regardless of province are being treated equally is a bit of a misnomer at best.

Totally agree, it is an individual program, not a provincial one. What happens when an Albertan, who has paid (less) into the APP and is promised higher returns, moves to BC? Who pays their pension and how much do they get? CPP shouldn’t pay since it never collected, so APP should pay even though this is no longer an Albertan. Now APP liabilities are higher.

What about someone who works all their life in Nova Scotia but retires to Alberta? Should they tap into this sweet APP? No, they didn’t contribute to it.

Clearly the contributions and benefits need to move with the individual, which puts a lie to the notion of provincial contributions. Now theoretically if APP has significantly different terms there could be an arrangement to shift pension funds between APP and CPP every time a person moves between Alberta and Canada, but that would be a logistics nightmare. I don’t know how Quebec handles it, but I do they are largely tied to CPP because of portability and provide the exact same benefits although with different (currently higher) contribution rates.

A different way to handle this would be to leave CPP alone and start APP fresh. People collect from one or both plans depending where their contributions went, regardless of residency. Without the initial nest egg of CPP transfers this is, of course, a non-starter.

This whole thing is a terrible idea.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The NDP were literally less than a few thousand net votes across multiple ridings from winning. I may be optimistic to a fault but I have enough faith in Albertans that a majority will eventually figure it out.

You mean the idiot morons who gave Kenney a majority gov't and voted in effing Danielle Smith? I wouldn't hold my breathe.

[Yoho]

This Alberta pension will never happen , but let’s see what the threat of it does to back off the Feds.

[Muta]

I'm of the opinion that with a lot of 'old stock' conservatives / Boomers declining in numbers as the years go on, and the consistent flow of migration to this province from around Canada and abroad that generally brings a more centrist perspective (especially young people), the 'right wing' demographic is going to be in for more of a fight in future elections - at least moreso than in years past. The Alberta NDP, a centrist party, owns the voting majority of the two biggest cities in Alberta, and that's a trend that conservatives will need to address if they want continued success going forward.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Yoho

This Alberta pension will never happen , but let’s see what the threat of it does to back off the Feds.

This is the danger of this game of chicken though. There very much IS risk of it happening. I think you're underestimating how stupid people are.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

This is the danger of this game of chicken though. There very much IS risk of it happening. I think you're underestimating how stupid people are.

You do know who you are talking to right? hahaha

As stupid as a rightwinger who thinks he can change the minds of people on here with his barrage of right wing propaganda tweets?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Yoho

This Alberta pension will never happen , but let’s see what the threat of it does to back off the Feds.

What are the "Feds" being backed off of?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Yoho

This Alberta pension will never happen , but let’s see what the threat of it does to back off the Feds.

What exactly does this do to make the feds "Back off"

Jesus, you and Danielle Smith are talking like she's holding the federal government at gunpoint, but the reality is She's pointing it at her own head screaming "don't test me, I'll do it".

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

What exactly does this do to make the feds "Back off"

Jesus, you and Danielle Smith are talking like she's holding the federal government at gunpoint, but the reality is She's pointing it at her own head screaming "don't test me, I'll do it".

No, the gun is pointed at our heads. Which is a problem.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Yoho

This Alberta pension will never happen , but let’s see what the threat of it does to back off the Feds.

I’m not sure how acting in bad faith is helpful.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I’m not sure how acting in bad faith is helpful.

It’s just dumb. If the Federal government is aware of what a complete waste of time and energy that everybody here in Alberta thinks it is and wouldn’t pass a plebiscite, how is it even a viable negotiation tactic? How does the UCP present this? What could even be the best-case result?

[Harry Lime]

The APP seems like a non-starter. Smokescreen for restarting mines on the eastern slope, and what's happening in health care.

[aaronck]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1707127066905493813

We are so ####ed

[Fuzz]

"I have a healthy immune system". Says who? Your naturopath or your chiropractor? What's the test for this?


What a horrible example they set.

[Yoho]

She has no obligation to answer those health related questions.

[darockwilder]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

"I have a healthy immune system". Says who? Your naturopath or your chiropractor? What's the test for this?


What a horrible example they set.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about how do you test for that? I mean, they both clearly have pristine immune systems. They just told me. If someone asked me how my immune system was doing I guess I'd have to say "I suppose it's ok, I'm not sick right now". Odd they used the same language in response to a question about a vaccination. Well, I guess it's not odd at all.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Yoho

She has no obligation to answer those health related questions.

No, of course not. But stumbling and muttering about a healthy immune system beforehand as an excuse is nonsense. Part of their job is to communicate to Albertans and do so in ways that genrally improve the province. Waffling about something as simple and safe as a vaccine that will save the province money, and reduce strain on the healthcare system is not helping. I'm not at all surprised, becuase they are all ####ing morons. But this kind of display will absolutely have negative impacts, which Albertans should be concerned about.