Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by opendoor

You just say it's Russian disinformation and no one seems to care.

This is one of the most annoying things and it happens online everywhere including here on CP. Granted there certainly is a lot of Russian disinformation everywhere and when it is, should be called out, but people are entrenched to their side and choose to ignore anything that doesn't align to the standard talking points that are pushed to us through traditional media sources over here even if they need to twist themselves into pretzels.

[Wormius]

I might be missing something and maybe it is all dependent on rank in the military m, but how was an actual Nazi soldier admitted into Canada in the first place?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I might be missing something and maybe it is all dependent on rank in the military m, but how was an actual Nazi soldier admitted into Canada in the first place?

http://espritdecorps.ca/history-feat...-collaborators

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desch%C3%AAnes_Commission

These links explains it.

The commission's decision to find the Waffen-SS 14th Galicia Division not guilty of collective war crimes was particularly controversial, as the SS had already been determined to have committed war crimes as an organization at earlier war crimes trials. It is thus difficult to determine whether the commission's conclusion that the number of suspected war criminals who either had or were residing in Canada was in fact exaggerated, given how much potential evidence wasn't considered.

*Edited the Hunka part, since I misread and he seemed to have left right after the war (he was a POW). From his story

Being separated by an iron curtain from one's native land for almost half a century is a very long time in a person's life. A foreigner, and how friendly, rich and humane she is, has a great power of attraction. One could even forgive those who lost their identity in such circumstances and got "lost". and long. She went through Western Europe, England and Canada. My first trip to Ukraine was in September 1989. No one and nothing can prepare a person for those emotionally shocking experiences that he has to endure when he comes face to face with his native land earth after such a long time of separation.

It was not easy for me to leave Ukraine, both after my first visit to my native land in 1989 with my eldest son Martyn and daughter-in-law Tereza, and after my second visit with my younger son Peter in 1991. A profitable and affluent life in Canada has become not very attractive. The soul gravitated to its own, albeit impoverished, native nest, to its land.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I might be missing something and maybe it is all dependent on rank in the military m, but how was an actual Nazi soldier admitted into Canada in the first place?

That's the first thing I thought, apparently he moved here right after the war. I don't imagine the rules and borders were as strict in the 40's?


Edit: ^^^ or that

[CliffFletcher]

The Allies weren’t particularly scrupulous about these sorts of things in the immediate post-war years, what with the geopolitical realignment of the Cold War. The U.S. brought over 1,600 German scientists, many of them Nazi members and officials, to boost their research. Several of them were awarded honours by NASA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...5%20and%201959.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Allies weren’t particularly scrupulous about these sorts of things in the immediate post-war years, what with the geopolitical realignment of the Cold War. The U.S. brought over 1,600 German scientists, many of them Nazi members and officials, to boost their research. Several of them were awarded honours by NASA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...5%20and%201959.

Yup. The US also gave Imperial Japan a bit of a pass for the atrocities the Japanese carried out during their brutal invasion of the capital of China at the time, Nanjing, and also kept Unit 731 a secret in exchange for the test results.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

Thousands of men, women, children, and infants interned at prisoner of war camps were subjected to vivisection, often performed without anesthesia and usually lethal.[28][29] In a video interview, former Unit 731 member Okawa Fukumatsu admitted to having vivisected a pregnant woman.[30] Vivisections were performed on prisoners after infecting them with various diseases. Researchers performed invasive surgery on prisoners, removing organs to study the effects of disease on the human body.[31]


Human dissection experiment room
Prisoners had limbs amputated in order to study blood loss. Limbs removed were sometimes reattached to the opposite side of victims' bodies. Some prisoners had their stomachs surgically removed and their esophagus reattached to the intestines. Parts of organs, such as the brain, lungs, and liver, were removed from others.[29] Imperial Japanese Army surgeon Ken Yuasa suggests that practising vivisection on human subjects was widespread even outside Unit 731,[32] estimating that at least 1,000 Japanese personnel were involved in the practice in mainland China.[33] Yuasa said that when he performed vivisections on captives, they were "all for practice rather than for research," and that such practises were "routine" among Japanese doctors stationed in China during the war.[22]

The New York Times interviewed a former member of Unit 731. Insisting on anonymity, the former Japanese medical assistant recounted his first experience in vivisecting a live human being, who had been deliberately infected with the plague, for the purpose of developing "plague bombs" for war.

To even think about collecting the results of this lab for your own benefit is disgusting.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Azure

Used to think Rube was objective.

Imagine how much you gotta stretch this story to not see how ridiculous the entire thing is.

Is the PM to blame? Well sure, it is his government. Did he intentionally bring the Nazi scum to the HoC? Well of course not. Did he know? Likely not. Should heads roll? Yes.

The whole 'yeah it ain't my fault' charade that JT is doing is pathetic. End of the day, take some responsibility for what a party member did, and perhaps next time spend a little more time figuring out who you are bringing into government chambers.

What? I said this is embarrassing but totally expected by this government. I was disgusted but completely unsurprised that this happened under this government. They've proven themselves arrogant and incompetent beyond belief on numerous occasions.

My only point was that the CPC have very little moral high ground considering their continued associations with the Freedom Convoy folks, Rebel Media crowd, etc., etc.

[TherapyforGlencross]

I think it might be time for an election. How can the Liberals stand there trying to erase this? Trudeau denying any responsibility. Why is a former nazi near Zelenskyy? Speaker hasn’t stepped down. I have no confidence in the Liberals. What a gongshow, highly embarrassing. How does this appear to our allies, especially those in NATO?? Or for Ukraine, where Ukrainians stood along with Canadian, fully organized by Canada, and have that type of photo-op? Russian media salivating all over this.

[Wormius]

I wouldn’t be surprised if this was set up for the next Borat movie, it is so unbelievable. How did no one involved not do some research, like even the people in the audience’s, surely someone was like, “Wait, what? Who was he fighting against the Russians with?”.

[Mathgod]

A debacle of monumental proportions; one of the darkest moments in our country's history. This gaffe will have disastrous, far-reaching consequences, worse than probably most people realize. I'm not kidding when I say this might actually be what causes Ukraine to lose the war, and maybe even what causes Trump to return to the WH in 2025.

The optics of this are beyond disastrous, and there's no telling how many people around the world will look at this and become hoodwinked by Kremlin propaganda, believing that Ukraine is "run by Nazis" and "needs liberating".

I'm pissed. The house speaker absolutely does need to step down and quite frankly I can't believe we're going to be stuck with this government for 2 more years. Embarassing.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

A debacle of monumental proportions; one of the darkest moments in our country's history. This gaffe will have disastrous, far-reaching consequences, worse than probably most people realize. I'm not kidding when I say this might actually be what causes Ukraine to lose the war, and maybe even what causes Trump to return to the WH in 2025.

The optics of this are beyond disastrous, and there's no telling how many people around the world will look at this and become hoodwinked by Kremlin propaganda, believing that Ukraine is "run by Nazis" and "needs liberating".

I'm pissed. The house speaker absolutely does need to step down and quite frankly I can't believe we're going to be stuck with this government for 2 more years. Embarassing.

Holy lord.

[Looch City]

Canada now ceases to exist. Fold the country.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

I think it might be time for an election. How can the Liberals stand there trying to erase this? Trudeau denying any responsibility. Why is a former nazi near Zelenskyy? Speaker hasn’t stepped down. I have no confidence in the Liberals. What a gongshow, highly embarrassing. How does this appear to our allies, especially those in NATO?? Or for Ukraine, where Ukrainians stood along with Canadian, fully organized by Canada, and have that type of photo-op? Russian media salivating all over this.

Allies? We’re part of the AXIS now buddy, suit up. ‘Bout to be invaded by US tomorrow!

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Allies? We’re part of the AXIS now buddy, suit up. ‘Bout to be invaded by US tomorrow!

This government cannot be trusted. Freeland was front and centre of a Ukrainian Insurgent Army flag, posted it on Twitter, deleted it, and posted a new photo without the flag. It’s mishap over mishap. Do you trust this government for making sound decisions? It’s clear they can’t. Far-right media could easily jump on this to make their claim to suspend Ukrainian support. Why isn’t anyone taking responsibility? The speaker did, but is it true responsibility if he doesn’t step down immediately? It’s as if the Liberals wanted image over sound governing.

[Mathgod]

It's easy to mock what I said, and think I'm being overly dramatic. But keep in mind we now live in a world that's all about spin, propaganda, and optics. For a huge portion of the world's population (probably the majority), reality is nothing, perception is everything.

Downplay and ignore the power of propaganda and emotional manipulation, and you end up with Trump as your head of state. The world changed forever when he was inaugurated. No longer can we simply have faith that the truth will win out. Lies seem to win out more and more, and bad optics are far more damaging than they used to be.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

It's easy to mock what I said, and think I'm being overly dramatic. But keep in mind we now live in a world that's all about spin, propaganda, and optics. For a huge portion of the world's population (probably the majority), reality is nothing, perception is everything.

Downplay and ignore the power of propaganda and emotional manipulation, and you end up with Trump as your head of state. The world changed forever when he was inaugurated. No longer can we simply have faith that the truth will win out. Lies seem to win out more and more, and bad optics are far more damaging than they used to be.

And conveniently always gives you an excuse when people disagree with you.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Canada now ceases to exist. Fold the country.

Can we even trust the Liberals to fold the country?? I’m hearing that even people who don’t trust the Liberals have finally stopped trusting the Liberals!

[Doctorfever]

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...elenskyy-visit

Opinion column.

One of the main claims made by Russian President Vladimir Putin to justify his invasion of Ukraine is that he needs to rid the country of Nazis. That claim is utter nonsense, yet here we have the Trudeau government bringing in a soldier who fought for a unit under Nazi control and giving him a hero’s welcome.

The problem is the actions of the Trudeau government, or lack thereof, have given a huge win to the Putin regime. They can now point and say that not only did the Canadian government stand and cheer this man who fought in a Nazi regiment, but so did Zelenskyy.

Throughout Monday, the Trudeau government tried to claim that it had no role in admitting Hunka, or the two standing ovations that he received from Parliament.

Poilievre asked that the government apologize for what had happened, for the embarrassment caused to Zelenskyy, and they refused to do so. The Liberal government tried to place all blame at the feet of Rota, a Liberal MP, a claim that anyone with a passing knowledge of how such events work would laugh at.

“Will he finally take responsibility for his latest embarrassment and apologize to Canadians for this massive failure,” Poilievre asked.

It’s nice to see some posters putting political bias aside here. I’m sure there will be the usual who will run to defend Trudeau no matter what.

[Looch City]

Do you think this will be the scandal that finally sticks??

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Do you think this will be the scandal that finally sticks??

No. People aren’t that smart, unfortunately.