2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[CroCop]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

If you can get a player like Girard for Backlund - straight up - you make that deal every day that ends in "y". No brainer and makes the market stronger for Hanifin.

Girard yes but even better would be Byram!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Girard yes but even better would be Byram!

Byram is not being moved. Av's would need to move out cap in any trade.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Only one year younger than Hanifin

How do they compare?

Objectively speaking Hanifin is the better D man. plays 1 more minute a game and contributes about 10 points more a season. Another difference is Hanifin is reliably healthy and Girard misses 10-20 games or more a season every year.

The biggest different is contract status.

Girard makes 5M until 26-27
Hanifin is a UFA who will be asking for a number that starts with a 7.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Objectively speaking Hanifin is the better D man. plays more 1 more minute a game and contributes about 10 points more a season. Another difference is Hanifin is reliably healthy and Girard misses 10-20 games or more a season every year.

The biggest different is contract status.

Girard makes 5M until 26-27
Hanifin is a UFA who will be asking for a number that starts with a 7.

If Calgary wants to move Hanifin for a real player and not futures, Girard makes sense. They get a player signed for 4 more years, although a downgrade.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Girard yes but even better would be Byram!

No thanks. Guy is made of glass.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If Calgary wants to move Hanifin for a real player and not futures, Girard makes sense. They get a player signed for 4 more years, although a downgrade.

Disagree. Would rather re-sign Hanifin.

If you trade him for a player, it needs to be a forward.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Disagree. Would rather re-sign Hanifin.

If you trade him for a player, it needs to be a forward.

I'm assuming he's not resigning in making my comment.

If they need to trade him, it will be for a decent roster player, hopefully signed for a number of years.

I don't think there will be a motherlode of choices.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I'm assuming he's not resigning in making my comment.

If they need to trade him, it will be for a decent roster player, hopefully signed for a number of years.

I don't think there will be a motherlode of choices.

I think they only go roster player for Hanifin if Lindholm re-signs.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I'm assuming he's not resigning in making my comment.

If they need to trade him, it will be for a decent roster player, hopefully signed for a number of years.

I don't think there will be a motherlode of choices.

Hanifin may still change his mind. The team looked to be genuinely having fun last night on the ice. We'll see guys like Huberdeau and Kadri, who had their personalities totally squashed last year, come to life and the energy kids like Pelletier and Coronato bring is contagious. Plus the travel restrictions from Covid should be in the rearview mirror.

[SuperMatt18]

I do worry that the market for Hanifin might be soft because people feel like he's set on Boston.

Boston born kid, who also went to Boston College, have to think his dream is to play for the Bruins. It's never been confirmed who exactly the Bruins were targetting in 2015 either but the rumor always has been they had those 3 first round picks and were trying hard to move up to get Hanifin too.

And unfortunately even though Bruins are in a bit of cap hell this season, things line up pretty nice for them to be able to add him next season.

They have the $4.5M from the Bergeron/Krecji bonus overages off the book, $3.0M from Derek Forbort, and $3.6M from Matt Grzelcyk expiring next year. Only $59M committed to the cap overall next season.

Really I don't think them going $7M+ for Hanifin will be an issue for them at all.

Lindholm-Mcavoy
Hanifin-Carlo

That becomes a pretty elite top 4 too.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do worry that the market for Hanifin might be soft because people feel like he's set on Boston.

Boston born kid, who also went to Boston College, have to think his dream is to play for the Bruins. It's never been confirmed who exactly the Bruins were targetting in 2015 either but the rumor always has been they had those 3 first round picks and were trying hard to move up to get Hanifin too.

And unfortunately even though Bruins are in a bit of cap hell this season, things line up pretty nice for them to be able to add him next season.

They have the $4.5M from the Bergeron/Krecji bonus overages off the book, $3.0M from Derek Forbort, and $3.6M from Matt Grzelcyk expiring next year. Only $59M committed to the cap overall next season.

Really I don't think them going $7M+ for Hanifin will be an issue for them at all.

Lindholm-Mcavoy
Hanifin-Carlo

That becomes a pretty elite top 4 too.

Which all makes what the standings are around the trade deadline even more interesting

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No thanks. Guy is made of glass.

I can appreciate what you’re saying but bear in mind things really did not look very good for Crosby or Bergeron early in their careers. Backlund too for a local example.

Most injuries, or at least many of them, are random unlucky events.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by blankall

Hanifin may still change his mind. The team looked to be genuinely having fun last night on the ice. We'll see guys like Huberdeau and Kadri, who had their personalities totally squashed last year, come to life and the energy kids like Pelletier and Coronato bring is contagious. Plus the travel restrictions from Covid should be in the rearview mirror.

Hanifin's choice likely comes down to a lifetime choice of where he and his partner wants to live and raise their kids.

I doubt running amuck over the Canuck's AHL team will make much of a difference.

Now if Calgary shows him the money, that make make a difference.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do worry that the market for Hanifin might be soft because people feel like he's set on Boston.

If is actually only open to signing in Boston then trade him at the deadline to the highest bidder

[FlamesAddiction]

Considering the cap situation a lot of teams are in, especially the contenders, Hanifin could have more value as a rental at the deadline than a player with an extension in place. Acquiring him now for most teams that could actually use him, would require them to make additional moves to clear cap space, which is usually not a net gain. So you have to look at it as the price they pay the Flames for Hanifin, plus the price they have to pay to clear cap space.

At the deadline, there are going to be teams that have accrued cap space, or have injured players that allow them to use LTIR to add a player. They will be able to add Hanifin without having to deal with part two of the equation. i don't think him being a pending UFA really matters that much. A lot of teams would rather have the option to walk away after the season in case it doesn't work or would be confident in being able to extend him if they want to. In the cap era, it is often worse to acquire a player with term before you can actually confirm they will fit.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Hanifin's choice likely comes down to a lifetime choice of where he and his partner wants to live and raise their kids.

I doubt running amuck over the Canuck's AHL team will make much of a difference.

Now if Calgary shows him the money, that make make a difference.

I also think the atmosphere in the locker room and the inability to easily visit family abroad were major factors. I wasn't suggesting one game would change his mind, but a half season might.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Disagree. Would rather re-sign Hanifin.

If you trade him for a player, it needs to be a forward.

Disagree, I think a Hanifin trade needs to return another defender. The Flames only have two D signed long term. They are in a contract situation where they could get gutted like Winnipeg in 2019 when they lost Trouba, Myers and Byfuglien all at the same time.

Forward situation lacks high end talent but has plenty of depth and a deeper prospect pool.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I can appreciate what you’re saying but bear in mind things really did not look very good for Crosby or Bergeron early in their careers. Backlund too for a local example.

Most injuries, or at least many of them, are random unlucky events.

I just don't see the guy ever staying healthy given his history. He has oodles of talent but it is no good if he never plays.

[CliffFletcher]

Hanifin wants to take himself to market and have a say in where he plays. Which is fine.

The only question now is if he’s traded as a rental at the deadline, or kept for a Flames playoff run and walked to UFA.

[gvitaly]

I know it's unlikely, but if we're trading Hanifin I would love it if we could add assets to Hanifin for a younger player. Or use some of the assets we get back for Hanifin package with some of our own to get a young D.

D I would love to see the Flames target: Bowen Byram(COL), Michael Anderson(LAK), Cam York(PHI), Rasmus Sandin(WSH), K'Andre Miller(NYR), Ryan Lindgren(NYR).

Unlikely any of them will be available, but that would be the sort of direction I would like CGY to go in.