[Francis - Rumour/Speculation] Expect next Captain to be Rasmus Andersson

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Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

How about the last 5 straight. C'mon

I am definitely confused, Backlund has had 1 season out of 6 with more than 50 points.

He is an excellent defensive 3rd line center,

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

see post 307

it just baffles me how people will continue to post something, AFTER others keep proving them wrong

Would agree, I doubt his play drops off within the next 2 maybe 3 years.

After that, yes its very likely,

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

We have been hearing about this regression to start every season since Backlund signed his last contract. I still don't see it on the horizon.

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This is an extreme a view as saying Backlund is not a legitimate top 6 player. Of course he will start regressing over a new long term contract.

Across the league we see younger players signed to long term deals that are valued based on what they project to be. No reason for the Flames not to do that with Backlund.

Obviously it’s tricky to know just what kind of player he will be at 38 or 39. So why not eliminate that risk? That seems to be what most teams do, there aren’t a lot of non star players signed to term at his age.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And 128th for forwards in that time frame.

32 teams ... that's on average the 4th best forward on the average franchise.

A quarter of the teams in the NHL are bottom feeders and half are mediocre. You really think Backlund had better offensive game than RYJO? I would bet all day RJ has a better PPG than Backlund this year. Ba klund would be the 3rd C in Colorado. He will be the 3rd C here, he isn't outproducing Kadri. Give me examples where Michael Backlund is a top 6 forward on one of the contending teams

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

A quarter of the teams in the NHL are bottom feeders and half are mediocre. You really think Backlund had better offensive game than RYJO? I would bet all day RJ has a better PPG than Backlund this year. Ba klund would be the 3rd C in Colorado. He will be the 3rd C here, he isn't outproducing Kadri. Give me examples where Michael Backlund is a top 6 forward on one of the contending teams

Ryan Johanson over the past 5 years is a -13
Backlund is +70

What Backlund lacks in points he more that makes up for with his shut down the opposing teams top line every night as shown by his Selke nominations.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Ryan Johanson over the past 5 years is a -13
Backlund is +70

What Backlund lacks in points he more that makes up for with his shut down the opposing teams top line every night as shown by his Selke nominations.

I said Backlund is the better two way player, never argued against that. I am pushing back that he is a better offensive player.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

A quarter of the teams in the NHL are bottom feeders and half are mediocre. You really think Backlund had better offensive game than RYJO? I would bet all day RJ has a better PPG than Backlund this year. Ba klund would be the 3rd C in Colorado. He will be the 3rd C here, he isn't outproducing Kadri. Give me examples where Michael Backlund is a top 6 forward on one of the contending teams

Ryan Johansen is wildly inconsistent - his production and health is all over the map.

Backlund has been more or less the exact same player since 2014.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Ryan Johansen is wildly inconsistent - his production and health is all over the map.

Backlund has been more or less the exact same player since 2014.

Again, I said Backlund is more consistently healthy. If RJ could stay healthy he is probably a 70-80 point guy every year. How anyone can think Backlund is more gifted offensively than RJ is beyond me. I get it, everybody loves the guy and that is fine, he is a valuable member of the team. There is no need to stretch what he brings to defend him though.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I said Backlund is the better two way player, never argued against that. I am pushing back that he is a better offensive player.

Over the last 4 seasons they have almost identical PPGs at .597 (for MB) and .596 (for RJ).

RyJo would have to be a significantly better offensive player to make up for that fact that he's a weak defensive payer, far below Backlund's level.

And no data says that he is a better offensive player.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Over the last 4 seasons they have almost identical PPGs at .597 (for MB) and .596 (for RJ).

RyJo would have to be a significantly better offensive player to make up for that fact that he's a weak defensive payer, far below Backlund's level.

And no data says that he is a better offensive player.

Except for his career numbers which are better but people want to cherry pick the high injury years. Injuries over the past five years combined with playing with a low offense team has neutured his numbers. If you think Backlund is a better offensive player I will bet you a $100 CP donation that Johansen has a better ppg number than Michael Backlund this year.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Except for his career numbers which are better but people want to cherry pick the high injury years. Injuries over the past five years combined with playing with a low offense team has neutured his numbers. If you think Backlund is a better offensive player I will bet you a $100 CP donation that Johansen has a better ppg number than Michael Backlund this year.

I don't think using the last 4 years is cherry picking. It's using a pretty large data set of most recent performance.

I'm not interested in lame internet bets. I was just providing some actual facts and data. Which you are welcome to ignore.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think using the last 4 years is cherry picking. It's using a pretty large data set of most recent performance.

I'm not interested in lame internet bets. I was just providing some actual facts and data. Which you are welcome to ignore.

Of course you are not, because suggesting Backlund is a better offensive player is ridiculous. Like let me know when Backlund scores 30+ in a season. It isn't a large data set, it is concentrating on his injured years combined with being in a team that plays a very defensive oriented system. You said there no stats to suggest he is a better offensive player when there actually is. I never said RJ was a better player, given the choice between the two I would take Backlund on my team every time. You arguing Backlund is a better offensive talent would be like an Oiler fan arguing Zach Hymen is a more offensively talented player than Taylor Hall.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

A quarter of the teams in the NHL are bottom feeders and half are mediocre. You really think Backlund had better offensive game than RYJO? I would bet all day RJ has a better PPG than Backlund this year. Ba klund would be the 3rd C in Colorado. He will be the 3rd C here, he isn't outproducing Kadri. Give me examples where Michael Backlund is a top 6 forward on one of the contending teams

<sigh>
Backlund's 56 points would have placed him...

VGS 2023: T-4th on Vegas (among forwards)
COL 2022: 6th
TBL 2020: 4th
STL 2019: 3rd
WAS 2018: 4th

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Of course you are not, because suggesting Backlund is a better offensive player is ridiculous. Like let me know when Backlund scores 30+ in a season. It isn't a large data set, it is concentrating on his injured years combined with being in a team that plays a very defensive oriented system. You said there no stats to suggest he is a better offensive player when there actually is. I never said RJ was a better player, given the choice between the two I would take Backlund on my team every time. You arguing Backlund is a better offensive talent would be like an Oiler fan arguing Zach Hymen is a more offensively talented player than Taylor Hall.

Backlund has also been on a defensive-first team

As has been shown, Backlund has out-produced Johansen for years at 5 on 5.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Backlund has also been on a defensive-first team

As has been shown, Backlund has out-produced Johansen for years at 5 on 5.

As shown, Backlund has produced in par with Johansen while Johansen has been hurt and played in a pure defensive system. The Flames for a defensive first system have been in the top half of scoring teams in the NHL. Obviously you ignored what I wrote so I will offer you the same deal, $100 CP donation. You won't take it either.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

As shown, Backlund has produced in par with Johansen while Johansen has been hurt and played in a pure defensive system. The Flames for a defensive first system have been in the top half of scoring teams in the NHL. Obviously you ignored what I wrote so I will offer you the same deal, $100 CP donation. You won't take it either.

RyJo is now playing with Makar and Mackinnon.
Nugent Hopkins and Zach Hyman will outscore Backlund, and I wouldn’t take either over him.

[howard_the_duck]

Backlund isn’t in a top 6 forward role on the Flames, a fairly middle of the road (or worse) offensive team.

His next contract should pay him like an excellent 3rd line Center, one who’s 35. $5m per year, 3 years max,

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by MrMike

RyJo is now playing with Makar and Mackinnon.
Nugent Hopkins and Zach Hyman will outscore Backlund, and I wouldn’t take either over him.

I agree, I said I would also take Backlund over Johansen. Backlund is not a better offensive player than Johansen, he just isn't. I doubt he will see much time if any with MacKinnon.

[Jiri Hrdina]

When one’s arguments aren’t supported by actual facts tossing out an internet wager is always the go to move.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

When one’s arguments aren’t supported by actual facts tossing out an internet wager is always the go to move.

I already proved there are actual stats that proved you were wrong about your statement. I guess being in denial is the actual go to move. You are just salty because I told you to put your money where your mouth is and you know better. I mean you said there was no stats that indicated RJ was a better offensive player when there clearly is.