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photon · 05-07-2007, 11:57 AM

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/05/06...h_girl_st.html

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In a short mobile video clip which appears to have been taken by locals at seen of the murder, the girl is seen being ambushed on her way home by a group of up to 1000 men who were waiting for her to return; the men killed her in the most brutal way possible, by throwing large stones on her head. The following clips show that while she is alive and crying for help she is taunted and kicked in her stomach until someone finishes her off by throwing a large stone on her face.

While I'm aware that this kind of thing takes place all over the world in an abstract way, when it becomes more real like in this case it makes me so angry. Why is this kind of thing still happening?

North East Goon · 05-07-2007, 12:02 PM

It's just getting worse and worse over there. Sadly it will probably take a new and brutal dictator to end the madness there.

RougeUnderoos · 05-07-2007, 12:19 PM

A thousand "men"? Don't these mental defectives have lives to lead? Don't they have jobs? I mean come on, a bunch of grown men have the time to be this concerend about the lovelife of a teenage girl that they probably don't even know? How does anything even get done in a town populated by such a bunch of fools?

Mean Mr. Mustard · 05-07-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

A thousand "men"? Don't these mental defectives have lives to lead? Don't they have jobs? I mean come on, a bunch of grown men have the time to be this concerend about the lovelife of a teenage girl that they probably don't even know? How does anything even get done in a town populated by such a bunch of fools?

I agree completely, and I know that someone will post that it is a different culture, but I can't imagine a culture where there would be someone so bloody stupid as to think that stoning someone whose only "crime" was having relations with a boy of a different religious sect... is it just a bunch of morons and fools who try and instill fear into the general population with such grotesque acts of violence against someone who was obviously defenseless. Whoever was part of this is the scum of the earth.

photon · 05-07-2007, 12:34 PM

See, I don't really think that they are the scum of the earth.. if I was raised and lived in the same environment, I probably would have been right there with them. On the other hand if one of them had been born over here, he'd probably be just as appalled as me.

The problem is the government and religious leaders that keep the people uneducated and unenlightened so they can be controlled.

Reaper · 05-07-2007, 12:35 PM

The level of depravity shown in man's inhumanity to man will never cease to disgust me.

habernac · 05-07-2007, 12:40 PM

It's over, it's done
the end is begun
If you listen to fools...
The mob rules

tripin_billie · 05-07-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

A thousand "men"? Don't these mental defectives have lives to lead? Don't they have jobs?

And that is just it. I remember a study (but for some reason cannot remember the author, doh) that suggested that cultures that have agressive foreign and domestic policies often have a an imbalance in the male to female ratio and large unemployment in the younger male population. What happens when you have lots of young guys, no work and no girls?

Behaviour like this is really disheartning though. And I normally support cultural differences, but when those differences justify the murder of innocent children, then I think there is a general, world wide set of morals that says that type of behaviour is wrong.

tkflames · 05-07-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

A thousand "men"? Don't these mental defectives have lives to lead? Don't they have jobs? I mean come on, a bunch of grown men have the time to be this concerend about the lovelife of a teenage girl that they probably don't even know? How does anything even get done in a town populated by such a bunch of fools?

That is exactly it...they are fools. Uneducated and unemployed with nothing in their head but what the next political/spiritual leader tells them. The US should consider pulling military troops and send over teachers and program providers instead. Let these "fools" beat themselves in soccer (at least they would have something to do...)

Mean Mr. Mustard · 05-07-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by photon

See, I don't really think that they are the scum of the earth.. if I was raised and lived in the same environment, I probably would have been right there with them. On the other hand if one of them had been born over here, he'd probably be just as appalled as me.

The problem is the government and religious leaders that keep the people uneducated and unenlightened so they can be controlled.

I can see why that would be the case but it takes a certain lack of humanity to throw rocks at someone with the intent to kill them. The only real explanation that I could come up with to describe this widespread behaviour is a mob mentality where no one is responsible, the group is responsible, and when the group is made up of thousands of people how can you really blame a single person for the actions of such a vast number. It can be seen all the time in riots where people who normally wouldn't act in an aggressive manner would break objects and attack people just because they could.

Still though one would like to think that with certain exceptions people would have some inner good despite their upbringing.

photon · 05-07-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I can see why that would be the case but it takes a certain lack of humanity to throw rocks at someone with the intent to kill them. The only real explanation that I could come up with to describe this widespread behaviour is a mob mentality where no one is responsible, the group is responsible, and when the group is made up of thousands of people how can you really blame a single person for the actions of such a vast number. It can be seen all the time in riots where people who normally wouldn't act in an aggressive manner would break objects and attack people just because they could.

Still though one would like to think that with certain exceptions people would have some inner good despite their upbringing.

The mob mentality probably has something to do with it, but I'm sure it happens at an individual level as well.. the thing is you are benefiting from being in a culture that has had its consciousness raised by ideas like basic human rights and the like... if you were in a culture that had no concept of it, you would probably make different decisions. Your supposed family honour would be more important to you than any person's life.

Everyone used to think slavery was perfectly fine, now few of us do. Burning a witch at the stake was after torturing a confession out of her was completely rational (if she doesn't confess, she's guilty. if we torture a confession out of her, she's guilty).

It took extraordinary people to to extraordinary things to get us past those things.

Flames_Gimp · 05-07-2007, 07:37 PM

saw the video..surreal..so twisted

feartheflames · 05-07-2007, 07:48 PM

i couldnt watch it, I just keep thinking about that girl and how horrible her last moments must have been

Devils'Advocate · 05-07-2007, 08:10 PM

I think, just by EXISTING, the West will win this war. Why did the Taliban ban televisions? Because watching western television shows showed women with rights. And once people see others with rights, they start making those demands as well. Women in Saudi Arabia are demanding the right to drive. Okay, it's a very small step, but it's a few flakes that might turn into a snowball.

I just finished watching an episode of L&O:SVU where a brother kills his sister because she slept with the man she loved, not the man she was promised to. So I was thinking about this issue before I even saw this thread. If these people are taught from birth that it is okay to stone someone, it's hard to condemn them. I mean, what happened in that video is right out of Deuteronomy. I have no idea how to impose human rights on a civilization brainwashed by the clerics with power; I can only hope that eventually the people will wise up and fight back against their oppressors.

Jayems · 05-07-2007, 08:11 PM

Yeah, I can't watch crap like that. Makes me sick.

Azure · 05-07-2007, 08:34 PM

Couldn't watch it either.

But I agree that just by existing, eventually we will win this war. If you want to call it a war.

I would call it more of a clash of cultures.

FlamesAddiction · 05-07-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I think, just by EXISTING, the West will win this war. Why did the Taliban ban televisions? Because watching western television shows showed women with rights. And once people see others with rights, they start making those demands as well. Women in Saudi Arabia are demanding the right to drive. Okay, it's a very small step, but it's a few flakes that might turn into a snowball.

The funny thing about Iraq though, is that under Saddam Hussein, the people had access to Western media and cultural components. Not to mention, women in Iraq were relatively liberated by Middle East standards. I read that only Israel had a more liberated female population. If anything, Iraq is moving backwards in that regard.