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Old 09-15-2023, 05:11 PM   #12581
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There's reports of new fresh attacks on Sevastopol, and yesterday a S-400 anti air defense system got blown up after being baited by drones, only to be blown up by cruise missiles after it depleted its weaponry.
So Ukrainians apparently managed to destroy the command and control, crew, and radars for those two S-400s they hit out of 5 stationed in Crimea. These are the most expensive parts of the $1B+ AA systems and can take years to build even when Russia is not sanctioned.

Can't wait for the remaining 3 systems to get destroyed. Even if they don't, there are enough gaps now in Crimea air defense that no Russian naval ship is safe. Hopefully Ukrainian grain exports can resume soon in earnest.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=53f28be716fc

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Old 09-15-2023, 10:00 PM   #12582
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Chechen leader Kadyrov reportedly in a coma. Poor health or Putin poisoning?

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Old 09-15-2023, 10:56 PM   #12584
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Old 09-17-2023, 01:05 AM   #12585
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A Jewish member of the Azov Battalion greets a Jewish pilgrim in Uman. Every year, thousands of Hasidic Jews make a pilgrimage to Uman as it has an important historical site for their faith. Despite the danger, there are still thousands showing up this year.

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You just know that this has to be triggering for Russians who still believe that the purpose for the war was to de-Nazify Ukraine.
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Another really valuable video from Perun, estimating how the Russian production of new materiel is holding up.

Short version: in tanks, artillery and airframes, it isn't. They're digging deeper and deeper into stockpiles, and it isn't sustainable.

In drones it's not just holding up, they're likely going to outpace Ukraine.significantly over time. The West hasn't really fully woken up to consumption rates and usefulness of drones in this war.



Key issue here is will the Wests appetite for supporting Ukraine hold. Next year is of materiel deliveries is likely going to be key. If they can give Ukraine enough to work with, it's completely possible to deplete Russian equipment too fast for them to replace, eventually leading to breakdowns and breakthroughs, but the numbers really, really matter here.

If the amount If support isn't enough, then the Russian loss rates will be sustainable for Russia, and that means an endless wars.

These are the times that require deciviness and putting our money where our mouths are. It's a very winnable war, but a bigger effort sooner rather than later is needed.
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Chechen leader Kadyrov reportedly in a coma. Poor health or Putin poisoning?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1702719776236175581
Probably caught a terrible cold when someone left a Window open...

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Old 09-18-2023, 01:29 AM   #12588
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A Jewish member of the Azov Battalion greets a Jewish pilgrim in Uman. Every year, thousands of Hasidic Jews make a pilgrimage to Uman as it has an important historical site for their faith. Despite the danger, there are still thousands showing up this year.

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You just know that this has to be triggering for Russians who still believe that the purpose for the war was to de-Nazify Ukraine.
Huh...thanks. I did not know that.
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Ugh a mistake ends in tragedy for the innocent.

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Witness accounts and an analysis of video and weapon fragments suggest a Ukrainian missile failed to hit its intended target and landed in a bustling street, with devastating consequences.
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The Sept. 6 missile strike on Kostiantynivka in eastern Ukraine was one of the deadliest in the country in months, killing at least 15 civilians and injuring more than 30 others. The weapon’s payload of metal fragments struck a market, piercing windows and walls and wounding some victims beyond recognition.

Less than two hours later, President Volodymyr Zelensky blamed Russian “terrorists” for the attack, and many media outlets followed suit. Throughout its invasion of Ukraine, Russia has repeatedly and systematically attacked civilians and struck schools, markets and residences as a deliberate tactic to instill fear in the populace. In Kostiantynivka in April, they shelled homes and a preschool, killing six.

But evidence collected and analyzed by The New York Times, including missile fragments, satellite imagery, witness accounts and social media posts, strongly suggests the catastrophic strike was the result of an errant Ukrainian air defense missile fired by a Buk launch system.
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Old 09-19-2023, 10:32 AM   #12592
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If that is true, it is really unfortunate. In a war, especially around urban areas, there are always going to be mistakes that lead to civilian casualties. There is never 100% accuracy or success. This goes for Russia too, even though I have no doubt that they do intentionally hit civilians, some of the time is probably not on purpose.

Every civilian casualty is ultimately the fault of Russia regardless though as none of this would be happening in the first place if they didn't invade.
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Unfortunately things like that will happen and it sucks. First off all, #### russia with a pineapple for causing this in the first place. Because this whole thing is their own damn fault. When my in-laws were occupied in their village last year, they were actually more worried about Ukrainian strikes hitting them than Russian ones, because the Russian launchers were close-by to them so they at least knew the chance of it landing directly on them was low. Alternatively, when they could hear stuff whistling towards their direction, they knew it originated from the UA side and it was a lot more scary for them wondering where it would land. Yes, many apartments got hit by Ukrainian friendly fire and many people are dead because of it. There was a lot of "our own people are shooting us" when my wife would talk to her mother on the phone. It's a ####ed up feeling knowing your family can be killed in a war, at any moment, and likely by your own side.

If it is indeed a mistake on the Ukrainian's part, it's a tragedy beyond comprehension. But important to remember that this tragedy could have 100% been avoided if russia ####ed the #### off back home.
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Every death there is Russia's fault.
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Old 09-19-2023, 01:34 PM   #12595
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If I'm not mistaken, Buk missile systems are ground to air missile defense systems. They don't shoot them if there isn't a missile incoming
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Buks are surface-to-air missiles capable of being used for missile defence, but also just against regular ol' anti-aircraft.
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CNN reporting Ukraine likely behind strikes on Wagner backed forces in Sudan:

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I dont understand why there is such attention and effort to determining "fault" for these things when they are being caused by one country illegally invading and bombing them. What is the benefit of this knowledge?

Is this the mental math here??... "Oh man they did it to themselves! Should have just let the invader bomb them rather than taking the risk of defending themselves"
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Old 09-19-2023, 02:46 PM   #12599
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I dont understand why there is such attention and effort to determining "fault" for these things when they are being caused by one country illegally invading and bombing them. What is the benefit of this knowledge?

Is this the mental math here??... "Oh man they did it to themselves! Should have just let the invader bomb them rather than taking the risk of defending themselves"
If Ukraine was deliberately bombing civilian areas I imagine they would lose support pretty quickly.
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I dont understand why there is such attention and effort to determining "fault" for these things when they are being caused by one country illegally invading and bombing them. What is the benefit of this knowledge?

Is this the mental math here??... "Oh man they did it to themselves! Should have just let the invader bomb them rather than taking the risk of defending themselves"
It's still a noticeable event even in a war this big, especially these days when Ukraine isn't losing a lot of civilians generally speaking. People in Ukraine want to know what happened, and because it's kind of a slow time for news from Ukraine, it becomes international news fairly easily. "What exactly happened" is still news, even if everyone knows who's to blame.

You also can't automatically just rule out things like recklessness or incompetence from the Ukrainian side, or not following some protocol or whatnot. Just because Russia is at fault generally doesn't mean that there can't be some fault in what the people operating the system were doing. People still need to try avoid creating accidents, even if some amount of accidents is inevitable.
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