2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[blankall]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

It not so much as whether it's a legit rumour. The interesting part to me is that we know Colorado is looking for a goalie. But also that the trade to Colorado hypothetically doesn't seem to work given their lack of draft picks in the range that seems reasonable or prospects that would make sense.

Unless we are taking back an underwhelming return.

The market for backup goalies isn't great either. Raanta signed a very small contract. If they're moving Vladar, it's likely about giving Vladar a fair shake somewhere else or to free up cap. I don't see a huge return coming back.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think if the Flames can get anything more than a 7th, it's a good trade for Conroy.

LOL

Vladar is a valuable asset - trading him for a 7th (or anything similar to that) is brutal asset management

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

LOL

Vladar is a valuable asset - trading him for a 7th (or anything similar to that) is brutal asset management

He's also coming off a very uneven season, and comes with a cap hit of $2.2 million for 2 more years, while other backups are signing for half that for 1 year.

The other option is keeping him for another half year, showcasing him, and then trading. That could stifle Wolf's development, which, in the long run, is far more damaging than missing out on a mid level asset coming back for Vladar.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by blankall

The market for backup goalies isn't great either. Raanta signed a very small contract. If they're moving Vladar, it's likely about giving Vladar a fair shake somewhere else or to free up cap. I don't see a huge return coming back.

Also, making room for Wolf to spend the whole season in the NHL.

Dropping the backup's cap hit from $2.2 million to $813,333 would be a big help too.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

LOL

Vladar is a valuable asset - trading him for a 7th (or anything similar to that) is brutal asset management

Cap space is an asset.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

LOL

Vladar is a valuable asset - trading him for a 7th (or anything similar to that) is brutal asset management

Well it isn't ideal, but I don't know if it's brutal asset management more than it's just the circumstances we're in.

If they think the best development path for Wolf is the NHL full time, instead of splitting with the AHL (I think both are fine), and given where the trade market is... that's the move.

Wolf is the higher priority asset by a mile, so if managing that asset the way they think is best means they have to ship a lower priority asset for a song, that's not bad asset management.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Cap space is an asset.

Yes, cap space is an asset. Doesn't mean you just give another asset away for less than they're worth though

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Well it isn't ideal, but I don't know if it's brutal asset management more than it's just the circumstances we're in.

If they think the best development path for Wolf is the NHL full time, instead of splitting with the AHL (I think both are fine), and given where the trade market is... that's the move.

Wolf is the higher priority asset by a mile, so if managing that asset the way they think is best means they have to ship a lower priority asset for a song, that's not bad asset management.

I don't disagree with the logic. However, I doubt they have decided - in the summer - that Wolf is suddenly ready. I would imagine that they are on the same path of working Wolf into the NHL.

Having Vladar to start the season, until we know what Wolf is, and in case Markstrom got hurt, is FAR more valuable than giving him away now, for space and hope.

[Yeah_Baby]

Sec, dissent...waiting on you guys lol.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think if the Flames can get anything more than a 7th, it's a good trade for Conroy.

Hopefully we can channel our Reto Berra trade energy and get another 2nd rounder.

[Toonage]

If this does come to pass, its a pretty good landing spot for Vladar. I know I wouldn't complain.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't disagree with the logic. However, I doubt they have decided - in the summer - that Wolf is suddenly ready. I would imagine that they are on the same path of working Wolf into the NHL.

Having Vladar to start the season, until we know what Wolf is, and in case Markstrom got hurt, is FAR more valuable than giving him away now, for space and hope.

They may have decided last season that Wolf was ready and spent the summer softly trying to move Vladar, for all we know. You definitely wouldn't want to reveal your cards showing any sign you're wanting to move Vladar ASAP if you're trying to maximize offers for him.

I doubt anyone in the organization believes Wolf could be anything less than a good backup at this point. The hope is that he's an undisputed #1, so you take whatever path is best to get him there.

And for all we know, that cap space is also the difference between moving certain guys they need to move and not being able to.

End of the day, managing Vladar as an asset doesn't happen in a bubble. You can't just decide to prioritize that one asset when there might be more important assets that hinge on that role and that cap space being open.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am preparing myself for "future considerations" with Vladar, if no money is coming back in the deal. It is hard to find a year in which cap space has proven to be more valuable than this one. Anything above that is gravy, and I like Vladar and think that there is starter potential in him still.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, cap space is an asset. Doesn't mean you just give another asset away for less than they're worth though

He's still really only valuable because of potential, and he's done nothing to be worth the contract. He's only valuable if there area few scouts still high on him.

[SuperMatt18]

I could see something like Vladar for Foudy...maybe O'Connor+

[JTech780]

What about a bigger trade, something like Backlund and Vladar for Girard? I think there would have to be some balancing, and retained cap, but it could work.

[SuperMatt18]

I wouldn't do Backlund and Vladar for Girard...but I would do Markstrom for Girard.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, cap space is an asset. Doesn't mean you just give another asset away for less than they're worth though

What's Vladar cap space worth now vs 2 months from now? If you hold out for a 3rd or even a 2nd for Vladar you lose cap space waiting. You get a 4th for him in 2 months because he does not bounce back like some expect you lose an asset by waiting.

If you sell at the deadline, cap space helps for retained salary deals.

You neither buy or sell you can do what Minnesota did and broker deals to gain picks.

You buy, cap space is an asset.

If we can get a 4th now, I'd do it rather than hold out for a 3rd or 2nd. Plus the Wolf era would start now. I like that more than maybe getting a bit more for Vladar if he gets off to a hot start. IF.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

What's Vladar cap space worth now vs 2 months from now? If you hold out for a 3rd or even a 2nd for Vladar you lose cap space waiting. You get a 4th for him in 2 months because he does not bounce back like some expect you lose an asset by waiting.

If you sell at the deadline, cap space helps for retained salary deals.

You neither buy or sell you can do what Minnesota did and broker deals to gain picks.

You buy, cap space is an asset.

If we can get a 4th now, I'd do it rather than hold out for a 3rd or 2nd. Plus the Wolf era would start now. I like that more than maybe getting a bit more for Vladar if he gets off to a hot start. IF.

THe value of the cap space doesn't change much, but as goalies get injured, the value of goalies goes up. The best time to trade a backup goalie is during the season, when other teams need a body.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Redrum

He's still really only valuable because of potential, and he's done nothing to be worth the contract. He's only valuable if there area few scouts still high on him.

Yes, but the fact that Colorado is potentially knocking on the door, suggests that some do.

He's 26. Yes, he had an up and down season last year, but he has shown that he has #1 potential. And he has size, can't teach that.