Official WWE/ECW/WCW/TNA talk, or whatever v2

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah people always say "TV Viewership is down" and that's true for cable.

But video consumption has never been higher.

All the streaming services, youtube, tik tok, instagram, etc, and then of course the illegal ways to get the content you want in pretty much real time.

The content is more accessible, in more mediums than ever before. Wrestling is at a bit of a boom right now again. Live show attendance is up, and viewer engagement is up.

Cable might be down a bit but it's also a show that for a lot of people actually makes more sense to watch taped / not live because it allows you to skip through the segments you don't care about. It's not like a sport you need to watch live.

[Blaster86]

And this is all happening with wrestling fans resorting to insane tribalism and some refusing to watch the other programs other than their favourite. There are probably more wrestling fans now than there has been since the boom in the late 80s to early 90s.

Love or hate AEW, it's hard to deny that they were a catalyst for this boom too. Not in the sense that they alone are driving this bus, but they helped revitalize an industry that had been stagnant for years due to no real competition for WWE. Now WWE is putting out a better product after being tested again. NJPW is as popular as it has ever been in the West which a lot of AEW mainstays have helped push.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah lots of tailwinds for sure.

AEW providing an alternative for people that liked wresting but not WWE.

Being the only real live sports option for big parts of the pandemic I think reintroduced a lot of lapsed fans too. .

As much as maybe some people don't like them I think attractions like Bad Bunny, and Logan Paul being part of it and actually being good at wrestling too, has helped too.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

As much as maybe some people don't like them I think attractions like Bad Bunny, and Logan Paul being part of it and actually being good at wrestling too, has helped too.

Hardcore fans hate it. But WWE likes money and they seem to know what makes money.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Hardcore fans hate it. But WWE likes money and they seem to know what makes money.

I think even some of the hardcore fans are coming around to them TBH.

Neither guy is making a joke of it and both seem to love wrestling and take it seriously,

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think even some of the hardcore fans are coming around to them TBH.

The two you listed specifically are unique. They can actually go. They're not just showing up to throw a punch.

[SuperMatt18]

Different topic but catching up on Dynamite...and oh shocker it's Jon Moxley covered in blood on a random episode of Dynamite in a match against a non-threat. Just stupid and adds nothing to any Moxley match at this point.

He did hit a great cutter in the match though, so that was good.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Different topic but catching up on Dynamite...and oh shocker it's Jon Moxley covered in blood on a random episode of Dynamite in a match against a non-threat. Just stupid and adds nothing to any Moxley match at this point.

He did hit a great cutter in the match though, so that was good.

I have never lost so much interest in somebody as the change from Dean Ambrose to Jon Moxley.

He is a case of needing to have someone over him who says no and keeps him in the box.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I have never lost so much interest in somebody as the change from Dean Ambrose to Jon Moxley.

He is a case of needing to have someone over him who says no and keeps him in the box.

Ambrose was a lousy character, especially when they tried to sell him as the "wacky/crazy" dude.

I thought his first year in AEW and the stuff he was doing in NJPW while he was fresh out of WWE was decent enough. It's just that his promos and matches are all copy/paste at this point. The worst part is that he's dragging the rest of the BCC down with him.

[Buff]

Moxley is a channel turner for me. I don't understand the appeal and I'd just rather not watch when he's on.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Ambrose was a lousy character, especially when they tried to sell him as the "wacky/crazy" dude.

He was fine. He wasn't great. He wasn't bad. He was liked by fans and a good hand. He was believable and reliable in that upper mid card / top of the card tweener who you could put a belt on and be reliable. We all wanted more for him.

Originally Posted by rubecube

I thought his first year in AEW and the stuff he was doing in NJPW while he was fresh out of WWE was decent enough. It's just that his promos and matches are all copy/paste at this point. The worst part is that he's dragging the rest of the BCC down with him.

I liked when he first came in. But it has gone off the rails at this point. If he has say in his booking and matches, it needs to be taken away.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Ambrose was a lousy character, especially when they tried to sell him as the "wacky/crazy" dude.

I thought his first year in AEW and the stuff he was doing in NJPW while he was fresh out of WWE was decent enough. It's just that his promos and matches are all copy/paste at this point. The worst part is that he's dragging the rest of the BCC down with him.

I was kinda excited when he left the WWE with his complaints that they were holding him back creatively. And then he released a really good video introducing himself to AEW that was really eye catching and exciting and interesting.

Then we got Stone Cold Jon Moxley. Then crazy Moxley, then every match is a cut myself Moxley. Then his promo's became the same old same old. then his matches got stale. Then someone rammed Pasta into his head.

And yeah from listening to interviews Moxley not only calls his own shots, but Kahn has him teaching the other wrestlers his greatness.

There are certain wrestlers in AEW that just need to go away whether its like for 6 months or 6 years.


The problem with WWE is that they have solid booking, and good workers for the most part. But they're safe, its sterile, its boring, its made for TV Wrestling.


The problem with AEW after all this time is that they have no clue what they are. Their booking is just too mishmash, and a lot of it is rib based.


AEW really needs to bring in someone to control the wrestlers and say no to their ideas.



WWE needs a serious return to



RUTHLESS AGGRESSION!

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The problem with AEW after all this time is that they have no clue what they are. Their booking is just too mishmash, and a lot of it is rib based.

RUTHLESS AGGRESSION!

AEW's major problem is TK would rather book dream matches than build compelling feuds. Don't get me wrong, I love thay we got to see Danielson vs. Okada, etc, but there's just zero buiild.

The sad thing is that they clearly can do it. The Adam Cole/MJF brochacho angle and has been an absolute gold mine. Same with Kenny vs. Take####a.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The Rock came back yesterday is the GOAT?

I'd say it's close between him and Steve Austin but I'd go Rock.

From 97-01 I don't think wrestling ever saw 2 bigger stars?

[CaptainCrunch]

Anyone watching Wrestlers on Netflix? Interesting look at OVW and its fight to survive with Al Snow running it.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The Rock came back yesterday is the GOAT?

I'd say it's close between him and Steve Austin but I'd go Rock.

From 97-01 I don't think wrestling ever saw 2 bigger stars?

I've always liked The Rock better but it's hard to go wrong when picking which one was a bigger star.

[dammage79]

I've always been on team Stone Cold, but it's close between he and the Rock. Can't go wrong with either choice.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Buff

I've always liked The Rock better but it's hard to go wrong when picking which one was a bigger star.

Wrestling wise at the time?


Austin, hands down. No one sold as much merch, sold out more shows and dominated headlines except Hogan in the 80s.


Overall?


Rock was the biggest name in Hollywood at one point.

[rubecube]

The Rock and Cena are being scabs right now. No respect for them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The Rock and Cena are being scabs right now. No respect for them.

The Rock has always seemed to do the right thing how many crappy losses did he take to Triple H?

Steve Austin made his Summerslam match with Triple H a triple threat because he didn't want to lose to Triple H.

I can't really speak about John Cena as that's when I thought wrestling went down the toilet and I stopped watching.