[Rumour] Babcock...doing Babcock things? Babcock resigns

[Robbob]

Step away for a little bit to get the pitchfork and torch and now this is a nothing burger? Although I see Biz is still cranking it to 11.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Aren't they trying to call out toxic hockey culture? And now they are being ridiculed for it?

It's not a podcast I listen to. I get that people don't like the dudebro hockey players, but this stuff likely doesn't even get out without them.

There's nothing particularly "hockey culture" about being asked to go through phone photos. That's just a weird request that shouldn't be allowed by an employer. Calling it out isn't calling out toxic culture as much as it's calling out a strange and invasive request.

Spittin Chiclets, despite some good interviews, might as well be 15 year olds in a locker room circa 2005 for the rest of it. It's pretty awful to listen to most times. I'm surprised the real F word hasn't been dropped on air, personally.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

wtf are you talking about?

How is SC toxic hockey culture? Do they swear, drink and talk about girls? yes. Does that cause players to be racist and sexually harass people? How about we hold people to account for their own actions vs blaming spittin chiclets.

I am holding them accountable for their own actions, and I'm not blaming them for anything. I don't think the way they talk and address certain subjects is helping anything, however. It's not that they talk about those subjects, it's how they talk about them.

It's outdated and cringey as hell.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Even if they're telling the truth, that's still sooo weird if they exchanged phones or whatever to look through family photos.

Who takes another person's phone to "get to know" someone they're just meeting?

Creepers or serial killers, probably while at gunpoint.

No one asks for that casually or in a professional setting.

[MissTeeks]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1701678268376641739

https://twitter.com/user/status/1701678523243528452

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Even if they're telling the truth, that's still sooo weird if they exchanged phones or whatever to look through family photos.

Who takes another person's phone to "get to know" someone they're just meeting?

Creepers or serial killers, probably while at gunpoint.

No one asks for that casually or in a professional setting.

Nobody has ever asked to see pictures of your kids?

I've had co-workers do that before when catching up for sure.

NHL is still a pretty small circle and it's probably not Babcock's first time meeting all of these people.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Even if they're telling the truth, that's still sooo weird if they exchanged phones or whatever to look through family photos.

Who takes another person's phone to "get to know" someone they're just meeting?

Creepers or serial killers, probably while at gunpoint.

No one asks for that casually or in a professional setting.

I've never asked. I've definitely never asked. Yet I've seen a lot of family photos all the same.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Muta

Possibly; I'd still tell him I have no cell phone and look him dead in the eyes while saying it. He can't physically go through your pockets, that would be assault. If Babcock wants to ask stupid questions, he should be prepared for stupid answers.

Nah. Pull out your phone right then and there and send him a text that you don't have a phone.

[Mass_nerder]

I don't know what actually happened, but knowing the way former players have talked about Babcock, I'm thinking the truth is probably a little closer to what Biz is reporting.

"But a lot of that is no doubt tied to the numerous hits to Babcock’s reputation delivered by or on behalf of former players. There is, of course, the story of Babcock asking a young Mitch Marner to rank teammates from hardest-working to least-hardest-working, only to have the list revealed to teammates. There’s also the sad tale of Johan Franzen, the former Detroit Red Wings forward who has called Babcock a “bully” and “the worst (person) I ever met.” Franzen has said that Babcock’s repeated verbal attacks often left him “terrified” to go to the rink. His claims have been backed up by the likes of Hall of Famer Chris Chelios. And there’ve been other former players who’ve added to the pile.

Former Red Wings defenceman Mike Commodore, on the occasion of Babcock’s firing, tweeted that the Leafs quit on Babcock because he’s “a terrible human being,” not to mention “an average coach with an extremely oversized ego.”

Mark Fraser, the former Leaf, chimed in: “Anyone who thinks (Commodore) needs to lay off Babs just doesn’t understand how much hate players have for him.”

article here

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Probably a distorted result of the telephone game.

I'll never get over how gossipy hockey circles are though. I've heard about the drug activities and debauchery of players I have absolutely no personal connection to, just through individuals I know around the game. Which shows that even if the stories aren't accurate, there are people spinning stories and hearsay left and right.

[GirlySports]

this could be a tipping point/crossroads for NHL and media relations

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I don't know what actually happened, but knowing the way former players have talked about Babcock, I'm thinking the truth is probably a little closer to what Biz is reporting.

"But a lot of that is no doubt tied to the numerous hits to Babcock’s reputation delivered by or on behalf of former players. There is, of course, the story of Babcock asking a young Mitch Marner to rank teammates from hardest-working to least-hardest-working, only to have the list revealed to teammates. There’s also the sad tale of Johan Franzen, the former Detroit Red Wings forward who has called Babcock a “bully” and “the worst (person) I ever met.” Franzen has said that Babcock’s repeated verbal attacks often left him “terrified” to go to the rink. His claims have been backed up by the likes of Hall of Famer Chris Chelios. And there’ve been other former players who’ve added to the pile.

Former Red Wings defenceman Mike Commodore, on the occasion of Babcock’s firing, tweeted that the Leafs quit on Babcock because he’s “a terrible human being,” not to mention “an average coach with an extremely oversized ego.”

Mark Fraser, the former Leaf, chimed in: “Anyone who thinks (Commodore) needs to lay off Babs just doesn’t understand how much hate players have for him.”

article here

I'll go with what the Players Association reports the players said to them, not what some ex players with an axe to grind have to say on the matter to generate clicks.

Right now it's looking that ex players who hate Babcock (no matter if it's justified) are vastly exaggerating in a negative way what happened.

See how this plays out, I guess, and there seems to be plenty of room for Biz and Babcock to come out of this looking like d-bags.

[Ashasx]

Comments like these definitely make me less empathetic to Bissonnette and Commodore. I think Babcock is the typical hockey bully, but the pervert comments are too far.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1701656235123302439

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Nobody has ever asked to see pictures of your kids?

I've had co-workers do that before when catching up for sure.

NHL is still a pretty small circle and it's probably not Babcock's first time meeting all of these people.

I mean.. Usually its a case of that person selecting a photo and holding it up for you to see. Maybe they hand it to you for a better glimpse if you're sitting across from them. Sure, that's normal.

Not where, like, someone gets to scroll through your gallery folder to get an impression of your family life. Which is the initial impression I got from the statements.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I mean.. Usually its a case of that person selecting a photo and holding it up for you to see. Maybe they hand it to you for a better glimpse if you're sitting across from them. Sure, that's normal.

Not where, like, someone gets to scroll through your gallery folder to get an impression of your family life. Which is the initial impression I got from the statements.

What about an old guy saying “I can’t see that ####, put it up on the TV” and then you joke to your buddy about how you had to make sure you didn’t scroll to far…

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

wtf are you talking about?

How is SC toxic hockey culture? Do they swear, drink and talk about girls? yes. Does that cause players to be racist and sexually harass people? How about we hold people to account for their own actions vs blaming spittin chiclets.

This statement is pretty gross:

“You want to #### with the players we’re going to bend you over no spit, no lube, sandpaper finish.”

Threatening rape - even metaphorically - isn’t a great look for someone trying to stake the moral high ground.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Comments like these definitely make me less empathetic to Bissonnette and Commodore. I think Babcock is the typical hockey bully, but the pervert comments are too far.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1701656235123302439

Babs never officially had any pervert type allegations put out there right?

It does sound like a case of a guy that already hates him just adding labels for gravity.

Those aren't insinuations that should be made lightly though.

Kind of pathetic by Commie.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This statement is pretty gross:

“You want to #### with the players we’re going to bend you over no spit, no lube, sandpaper finish.”

Threatening rape - even metaphorically - isn’t a great look for someone trying to stake the moral high ground.

This is a pretty good example of the tone and content you can expect from this group.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Coach

There's nothing particularly "hockey culture" about being asked to go through phone photos. That's just a weird request that shouldn't be allowed by an employer. Calling it out isn't calling out toxic culture as much as it's calling out a strange and invasive request.

I mean, players families are around the rink so is it weird that a new coach would want a primer on who's kids and wives are who's?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This statement is pretty gross:

“You want to #### with the players we’re going to bend you over no spit, no lube, sandpaper finish.”

Threatening rape - even metaphorically - isn’t a great look for someone trying to stake the moral high ground.

Not even "I'm", solo. Plural, "we're", Hockey Canada style.