Growing Retail Theft: "Dick's Shrinkage"

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Maybe stop and think about the implications of what you did say, then. Because those are basically the downstream consequences of parking being a right. May I suggest a field trip to the wonder place that downtown Oklahoma City turned into after they went on their "everyone gets a parking spot" rampage?

I never said parking was a right, you said that. I said that if an employer requires me to pay money to come to, or park at, the office to do my job, they should cover it. They also have the option of not requiring me to come to the office to do my job, if they do not want to incur the expense of me doing the job in the office.

That does not require bulldozing any buildings or kicking homeless people.

Why are you acting like it's some strange foreign concept? Sorry you have to pay to park at work, sucks for you, but I don't and I think everyone should enjoy that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by blankall

Once again, the solution is to just pay employees more. Covering costs quickly results in some employees receiving more of that benefit than others, essentially forcing some employees to supplement the benefits of others.

For example, if one person is cycling to work and another parking, does the cyclist get no benefit? A parking pass they sparingly use? Maybe a credit towards a bike?

I guess it could make some sense to create a standardized benefit amount? Even then, why not just let the employee spend the money how they want?

Because then it's taxable.

[MoneyGuy]

Isn’t it a taxable employment benefit anyway?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Isn’t it a taxable employment benefit anyway?

It depends. But in a downtown parkade type situation like we were discussing absolutely.

If you work somewhere with lots of free parking (mall, industrial park) then no.

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-age...e/parking.html

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Sure, but you wouldn't pay for your housekeeper to fly in from Vancouver. There's some responsibility on people to find jobs that they can feasibly get to. Just because someone lives an hour bus ride from downtown shouldn't mean they get free parking to make up for it.

I wouldn't hire a housekeeper who lived in Vancouver to begin with, and that's kind of an absurd extreme to push that example to. I'm one person hiring another person and it's within the same city, her on-street parking costs me ~$2 on top of a weekly cleaning bill of $90. That nearly works out to company buying a $112 monthly transit pass for an employee making $52,500 a year. It's 2.5% of their gross monthly salary.

For companies hiring people, roles are posted with the city / metro area that the employee must reside in / where the job is to be performed. So it wouldn't be reasonable for someone from Vancouver to apply to a job in Calgary with the expectation that i) the employee will be in Calgary regularly and ii) the employer will compensate for that amount of travel, I would think that would be made very clear ahead of time.

[Fuzz]

It seems weird for an employer to incentivize someone to drive, which is the least healthy way to get to work. Free bikes, walking shoes, transit passes, pay for parking yourself.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

It depends. But in a downtown parkade type situation like we were discussing absolutely.

If you work somewhere with lots of free parking (mall, industrial park) then no.

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-age...e/parking.html

“Lots of free parking” is irrelevant to my comment.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

They should also pay for my pants if wearing pants is that important to my employer.

There wasn’t much that was good about Covid, but not having to wear pants at work was truly awesome.

It made being a grocery store worker just about bearable.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It seems weird for an employer to incentivize someone to drive, which is the least healthy way to get to work. Free bikes, walking shoes, transit passes, pay for parking yourself.

It’s not incentivizing anything. They should also cover all that stuff too, if you want to be a weirdo and walk 10k to work.

I prefer to spend the least amount of time commuting. If you want to be a corporate lackey and put in some “sweat equity” just to get to work and give them even more of your time, go nuts.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

“Lots of free parking” is irrelevant to my comment.

It isn't irrelevant at all - you asked whether employer provided parking was a taxable benefit. The answer is, "it depends". The CRA link I posted goes into detail, but if there's lots of free parking around then they figure it doesn't have value as an employee benefit so it isn't taxable. There's a bunch of detail in the link, but that's the answer to the question you asked so I think it is at least a bit relevant.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s not incentivizing anything. They should also cover all that stuff too, if you want to be a weirdo and walk 10k to work.

I prefer to spend the least amount of time commuting. If you want to be a corporate lackey and put in some “sweat equity” just to get to work and give them even more of your time, go nuts.

If you give people free parking it's incentivizing them to drive over other methods, because it removes a barrier.

Biking to work is actually a time saver. It's faster than the bus, not much slower than driving(and some days faster) and the big time savings comes from not having to find another time to work out. It's peak life optimization. Bring some dumbells along for an upper body workout if you really want to maximize.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If you give people free parking it's incentivizing them to drive over other methods, because it removes a barrier.

Biking to work is actually a time saver. It's faster than the bus, not much slower than driving(and some days faster) and the big time savings comes from not having to find another time to work out. It's peak life optimization. Bring some dumbells along for an upper body workout if you really want to maximize.

Nah, it just makes it as neutral as biking or whatever and allows people to choose whatever they want without having to worry about paying to go to work. If commuting by bike in Calgary was so great, it could stand on its own. If it needs to be incentivized, then the government is free to make it more desirable.

You know what employers could also do? Let people work from home if they don’t want to “incentivize” driving. The point being missed is that making employees pay for parking just to be at their job shouldn’t be on the table, however you take it off the table is fine.

Y’all gotta expand your minds. You are slaves! Slaves!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Nah, it just makes it as neutral as biking or whatever and allows people to choose whatever they want without having to worry about paying to go to work. If commuting by bike in Calgary was so great, it could stand on its own. If it needs to be incentivized, then the government is free to make it more desirable.

You know what employers could also do? Let people work from home if they don’t want to “incentivize” driving. The point being missed is that making employees pay for parking just to be at their job shouldn’t be on the table, however you take it off the table is fine.

Y’all gotta expand your minds. You are slaves! Slaves!

They already do this.

If you get paid the same to work at home as you do at work take the work from home job because your net benefits is greater.

It’s wierd to be hung up on anything other than total comp - total expenses

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GGG

They already do this.

If you get paid the same to work at home as you do at work take the work from home job because your net benefits is greater.

It’s wierd to be hung up on anything other than total comp - total expenses

“They” already “do” what?

Obviously you would take the job with better net benefits, where is that even a question? There is nothing weird about talking about parking specifically, that’s what the conversation is about. It’s not about total compensation.

IDK, maybe some of you guys love paying for parking. Go wild. If I ever have to pay for parking again I’ll hit you up so you can enjoy it twice as much.

[btimbit]

If it's a job that could be done remotely, and they demand you go to an office, damn straight they should cover the costs of doing so

But that's easy for me to say, I've never had a job that could be done from home

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I wouldn't hire a housekeeper who lived in Vancouver to begin with, and that's kind of an absurd extreme to push that example to.

Ok, let's move the example in to Airdrie. Is it a downtown Calgary employer's problem that someone chooses to live in Airdrie and needs to drive to work? No, that person accepted the job, and accepted the downsides of where they choose to live.

Moving close to work let's you get there cheaper/easier. It's not an employer's job to subsidize your choices.

If you need to drive a car to client locations, they should provide you with a car, or parking for your own plus paying mileage for sure. That wasn't what Pepsi was saying.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I never said parking was a right, you said that

Odd, not the impression I got here:

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Having to pay for parking to park at your job is basically stealing from you, so I see no moral issue with finding a way to park for free.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I know what you mean, but the way I view it, your employer should be paying for your parking. If they aren't, they're stealing from you.

As for this:

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sorry you have to pay to park at work, sucks for you, but I don't and I think everyone should enjoy that.

You couldn't be more wrong (again). I haven't commuted by car in 15 years and haven't commuted at all for 5. Not sure where you're going with these types of comments anyway, self satisfaction from the times you're able to hurt strangers feelings on the internet? That's an unfortunate way to go about life.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Odd, not the impression I got here:





As for this:



You couldn't be more wrong (again). I haven't commuted by car in 15 years and haven't commuted at all for 5. Not sure where you're going with these types of comments anyway, self satisfaction from the times you're able to hurt strangers feelings on the internet? That's an unfortunate way to go about life.

1. Your employer doesn’t decide your rights, so I’m not sure why them paying or not paying for parking has anything to do with rights.

2. Sorry that you thought I was trying to hurt your feelings by saying it sucks that you have to pay for parking and I hope everybody gets to park for free?

I’m a monster.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

1. Your employer doesn’t decide your rights

Actually in about 90% of private sector employment in this province they kinda do

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Actually in about 90% of private sector employment in this province they kinda do

Yes, yes, we need unions, etc etc. Let’s cut to the chase and get to the part where you agree with me and disagree with these corporate shills that advocate for employees paying to work somewhere.