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Old 09-08-2023, 11:53 AM   #11761
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You really thought you were cookin' something with this post huh
In someone's world where every child must read and appreciate Hitler's "Mein Kampf" if they are to read and appreciate Elie Wiesel's "Night," it only makes sense that the idea of considering context would be entirely foreign to them.
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Old 09-08-2023, 12:02 PM   #11762
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Fine. What do you propose to deal with it?

I have no doubt they are emboldened by stupid DeSantis curriculum decisions about revisionist history on slavery, but again, nobody is buying that narrative that didn't already think that way.

How do you change the mind of a person like that? You can't legislate away terrible opinions, so then what?
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Same thing we've always done: declare that it's still not OK to think and act this way and continue to stand with those targeted minorities and/or vulnerable groups. Hold our leaders to standards that don't enable these hate groups, and hold them accountable when they do.

There are more practical, albeit larger functions we could put in place, such as strengthening the educational and health care systems instead of neutering them. Introducing sustained programs on critical media studies and critical race theories, for example, but that harkens to your point about DeSantis.

You're right, you're not magically changing the minds of these people overnight...possibly at all. Not intending offense, but the attitude that it's just a group of 20-30 kooks isn't productive. Qanon became dangerous by segmenting themselves from society and the light was shone on it too late. Now we have politicians in power across the US and Canada that ascribe to these ideas and are influencing policy, not to mention the very real acts of violence we've seen from these folks.

Recognize it and let the light in to disinfect it.
Not disagreeing with a single thing you said here. You're right on all accounts. I guess my point is that these idiots in particular should be ignored and we should go on to have adult conversations with everyone else about how to view hate speech and debunk the ideas behind it.

Basically, I'm not going to waste my time on those #######s. I go and worry about everyone else. If the rest of us agree that those people have awful and stupid ideas, then I guess I'm good.
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How the right wing ruined America, and what they have in store next



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Old 09-08-2023, 03:23 PM   #11765
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The Atlanta Grand jury recommended indicting 39 people..

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I suppose they may yet be charged, and some may very well have made plea deals..

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Old 09-08-2023, 03:28 PM   #11766
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I scoff at commentary that Obama lacked vision.

Passed the Affordable Care Act and got like 80 million people health coverage for the first time when EVERYONE said it was politically impossible.

Was the first person of color in the most powerful office in the world.

Best political orater in the last 40 years.

Come at me!
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Old 09-08-2023, 03:46 PM   #11767
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I scoff at commentary that Obama lacked vision.

Passed the Affordable Care Act and got like 80 million people health coverage for the first time when EVERYONE said it was politically impossible.

Was the first person of color in the most powerful office in the world.

Best political orater in the last 40 years.

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If you want to argue that Obama had vision, you probably need to find better arguments.

Skin color and oratorical skills have nothing to do with whether you have vision or not.

Obamacare is basically a massive wealth transfer from the American public to private insurance companies. Sure it moved the US health care system from an F to a D-, but it did so at tremendous cost to Americans. It is literally Romneycare with Obama's name slapped onto it. America still gets the worst health outcomes from its healthcare system while paying the most per capita in the entire industrialized world.
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Obamacare is basically a massive wealth transfer from the American public to private insurance companies. Sure it moved the US health care system from an F to a D-, but it did so at tremendous cost to Americans. It literally was Romneycare with Obama's name slapped onto it. America still gets the worst health outcomes from its healthcare system while paying the most per capita in the entire industrialized world.
Tell people who now have healthcare that it's a worse outcome than not having it. Cause that was me. I assure you... I'll take the D- rather than the F.

The fact that he did it coming off 8 years of W, and wasting his first two years trying to be bipartisan as the Tea Party arose is a testiment to his political vision.

I also liked that he pursued the "war on terror" as a criminal act. While Bush invaded two countries, he sent in a couple of choppers and actually got Bin Laden.

Wish he'd been in charge the whole time.
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Mark Meadows' attempt to remove his trial to federal court has been denied.

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Pelosi announced she'll run again in 24. Why not, if you can have senators who are randomly freezing and/or zombified, might as well have 80+ in Congress too and officially make it one happy nursery home.
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Continue to game the system and make enough money (don't they have enough already?!) to ensure their blood and subsequent generations are set and taken care of for many generations to come. Capitalists being capitalists.
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In someone's world where every child must read and appreciate Hitler's "Mein Kampf" if they are to read and appreciate Elie Wiesel's "Night," it only makes sense that the idea of considering context would be entirely foreign to them.
Mein Kampf is practically unreadable. I came across an opportunity to read it before and I was really curious to see how bad it actually was. It is so incoherent and written so poorly, you would think the person who wrote it was only semi-literate. Granted, I didn't read it from front to back, but the parts I did read were ramblings that went nowhere and didn't make sense. Aside from the repugnant content, it was so poorly written that I wouldn't even consider it literature.

Maybe if more Nazis actually did read, they would realize what an unintelligent raving lunatic Hitler was.
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Tell people who now have healthcare that it's a worse outcome than not having it. Cause that was me. I assure you... I'll take the D- rather than the F.

The fact that he did it coming off 8 years of W, and wasting his first two years trying to be bipartisan as the Tea Party arose is a testiment to his political vision.

I also liked that he pursued the "war on terror" as a criminal act. While Bush invaded two countries, he sent in a couple of choppers and actually got Bin Laden.

Wish he'd been in charge the whole time.
I never said it wasn't an improvement, just that it came at a tremendous cost, and the whole system is still a disaster.

There were some notable foreign policy disasters during Obama's presidency... Libya, drone program, continuation of Afghanistan war, keeping Guantanamo open. Domestic policy disasters too such as the Patriot Act, NDAA, warrantless NSA spying.

Point being that while corporate democrats (Obama, Biden) are leaps & bounds better than ultra-right-wing scumbags like Bush & Trump, America ultimately deserves better than to be forever stuck choosing between the lesser of two evils.
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that's the beauty of the braindead two-party system, you're almost guaranteed to end up with the choice between a giant d####e and a turd sandwich.
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Old 09-09-2023, 07:02 AM   #11775
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Maybe if more Nazis actually did read, they would realize what an unintelligent raving lunatic Hitler was.
I doubt it. There are many who idolize Trump, while at the same time hearing him ramble to n and on about nothing.
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Old 09-09-2023, 07:16 AM   #11776
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Tell people who now have healthcare that it's a worse outcome than not having it. Cause that was me. I assure you... I'll take the D- rather than the F.

The fact that he did it coming off 8 years of W, and wasting his first two years trying to be bipartisan as the Tea Party arose is a testiment to his political vision.

I also liked that he pursued the "war on terror" as a criminal act. While Bush invaded two countries, he sent in a couple of choppers and actually got Bin Laden.

Wish he'd been in charge the whole time.
I'm far from a "thanks, Obama" guy, and think he did a lot of good, but on the "killing people around the world as one does when President of the USA" front, you may want to read up on Obamas terms.
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Lindell had an epic rage when an interviewer asked him about his lumpy pillows and now #LumpyPillows is trending on Twitter.
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Lindell had an epic rage when an interviewer asked him about his lumpy pillows and now #LumpyPillows is trending on Twitter.
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Lindell had an epic rage when an interviewer asked him about his lumpy pillows and now #LumpyPillows is trending on Twitter.
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At one point, Mr Lindell erupted when an attorney for Mr Coomer references a customer complaint for a MyPillow product described as “lumpy.”

“No, they’re not lumpy pillows,” Mr Lindell fumed. “When you say lumpy pillows, now you’re an a*****. You got that? You’re an a******, is what you are.”

When his attorney told him to stop, Mr Lindell called the opposing counsel an “ambulance-chasing a******”.

“That’s what you are. Lumpy pillows. Kiss my a**. Put that in your book,” Mr Lindell said.
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“I’m in the middle of a deposition for a big attack on MyPillow right now, and it’s disgusting,” he said.

His deposition “ended after Mr Lindell left the witness chair during an unscheduled break while, again, disparaging counsel,” according to attorneys for Mr Coomer, who are requesting that Mr Lindell come to Colorado for a fourth deposition.
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I don't want to downplay a disgusting belief, but it's like 20 or 30 guys in a state of nearly 22 million people. It sucks that they're out there doing that, but it accounts for a vanishingly small percentage of the population. It's not worth the time to even bother discussing it. #######s and idiots are always going to be out there, you just hope it isn't a big group that can gather any actual power.

I'm betting that if you tried you could find about 20-30 white supremacists running around Calgary too.
What??

No. A good size public display of overt Naziism is NOT normal.

Not worth the time to discuss? It's disgusting, and frankly very worrying. I'm floored at how this can viewed so cavalierly, it means these guys have already won a huge battle in normalizing such displays.
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