[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

So Lindholm is still sitting on the fence, he is not showing much commitment to the team is he, despite an enormous offer that will see him and his family very well off for the rest of their lives. I am no longer interested in him and the team should move on from him.

The thought of what state this team might be in in 4 years is frightening. New nickname for the flames, The Pensioners.

Well, look on the brightside- if we hit on some of our draft picks, and get some quality young players in trades, we could end up being some version of the LA Kings, or Dallas Stars. LA kept Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick (until this year), but reset with good young talent like Kempe, Vilardi (traded for Dubois) and Fiala, and still have raw upcoming talent like Turcotte, Kaliev, Byfield, and Brandt Clarke.

Dallas kept Benn, Pavelski, and Seguin, but hit it big with Hintz, Robertson, Johnston, Heiskanen, Oettinger, and Harley.

In four years, if we still have Huberdeau, Kadri, and Lindholm, hopefully we will have the hope that comes with some exciting youngsters- Pelletier, Zary, Poirier, Solovyov, and Wolf will be on the team hopefully, with Morin, Suniev, and Honzek coming in hot. Couple that with whatever we get for Backs and Hanifin, hopefully there's some youth in those trades.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Does the retirement penalties still exist for contracts signed at age 30? If so would a Lindholm contract come under that rule, is it the age the contract starts?

It’s actually 35 and only applies if you are 35 in the first year of the contract

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Well, look on the brightside- if we hit on some of our draft picks, and get some quality young players in trades, we could end up being some version of the LA Kings, or Dallas Stars. LA kept Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick (until this year), but reset with good young talent like Kempe, Vilardi (traded for Dubois) and Fiala, and still have raw upcoming talent like Turcotte, Kaliev, Byfield, and Brandt Clarke.

Dallas kept Benn, Pavelski, and Seguin, but hit it big with Hintz, Robertson, Johnston, Heiskanen, Oettinger, and Harley.

In four years, if we still have Huberdeau, Kadri, and Lindholm, hopefully we will have the hope that comes with some exciting youngsters- Pelletier, Zary, Poirier, Solovyov, and Wolf will be on the team hopefully, with Morin, Suniev, and Honzek coming in hot. Couple that with whatever we get for Backs and Hanifin, hopefully there's some youth in those trades.

Except the Flames hit on some of these young players they may have a difficult time locking them up early like Ottawa did with Sanderson with $25 million locked into Huberdeau, Lindholm, and Kadri over the next six years.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Personally, I think they can win the division.

Only if one of the goalies show up.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Too bad he went full shill with his posting but couldn't admit that he'd slid off the deep end. That was bound to perk up the resident meanies.

Hopefully he comes back if the Flames have a strong start.

He hasn't left.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Only if one of the goalies show up.

Well, yeah. That is virtually a necessity for any team with divisional winning aspirations. Fortunately, the Flames have good goalies who appear capable of winning.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Except the Flames hit on some of these young players they may have a difficult time locking them up early like Ottawa did with Sanderson with $25 million locked into Huberdeau, Lindholm, and Kadri over the next six years.

The cap wont stay at 88 million 2-3 years down the line.

We should be fine. Also players like Coleman will come off the book by that time so the cap crunch loosens. We should be in good shape.

Sandman also forgot Coronato in his post who should be a real good player for us as well.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Except the Flames hit on some of these young players they may have a difficult time locking them up early like Ottawa did with Sanderson with $25 million locked into Huberdeau, Lindholm, and Kadri over the next six years.

It's interesting because Benn and Kopitar are nearly done their contracts. L.A has no other old money sitting around. Dallas has Seguin.

The Flames are right at the bottom of the hill with Kadri and Huberdeau. Its going to be a looooong time before they're off the books.

[Tron_fdc]

Cap is projected to rise 12 million over 3 years. Over 8 years it's possible it goes up 30 million.

9 million dollar contracts (for guys like Lindholm) in 8 years could very well be 5 million dollar contracts we see today.

If we lock up Lindholm at 9 and he turns into Backlund (who makes 5.35 to play on the 3rd line) and the cap goes up, by year 8 I'm not too worried.

Kadri could be an issue though. 7 million when he's pushing 40.....yikes.

[dammage79]

If I'm looking ahead 5 or 6 years down the road, these current contracts aren't going to be as prohibitive and players can be traded nearer to the end of their deals. The cap ceiling is going to rise up significantly over let's say Huberdeaus contract lifespan.

IMO, it's only the next 2 or 3 years where thing may be a little dicey in terms of cap management. With or without Lindholm staying.

The Flames I think just need to avoid giving term contracts to the Backlunds or Tanevs of the world.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Only if one of the goalies show up.

Thanks Tips. Yes, a goalie performing well is indeed a prerequisite for overall team success.

See also: Lightning (Vasilevsky was .875 in the POs and they got bounced in 6); Devils (Schmidt was terrific in round one (like Markstrom two seasons ago) but sucked in the first two against the Canes and they got swept); Knights 2021-22 (Lehner and Broissoit were not the answer)

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Except the Flames hit on some of these young players they may have a difficult time locking them up early like Ottawa did with Sanderson with $25 million locked into Huberdeau, Lindholm, and Kadri over the next six years.

Except Ottawa is spinning their tires and blowing huge assets to get more talent. Are we sure they'd be worse off with more 'elderly' guys like Karlsson or Stone still on their roster?

Or to the oft mentioned DAL - they'd probably prefer the flexibility of not having Seguin and Benn's cap hits...but they'd then be desperate for a couple guys just like them. Would they really be much better off if instead they let them go and landed say Ryan Strome and Taylor Hall and had a few extra million to play with? Maybe...obviously a lot of butterfly effects there, but the point is we'll be desperately seeking a guy like Lindholm the moment we don't have him.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Cap is projected to rise 12 million over 3 years. Over 8 years it's possible it goes up 30 million.

9 million dollar contracts (for guys like Lindholm) in 8 years could very well be 5 million dollar contracts we see today.

If we lock up Lindholm at 9 and he turns into Backlund (who makes 5.35 to play on the 3rd line) and the cap goes up, by year 8 I'm not too worried.

Kadri could be an issue though. 7 million when he's pushing 40.....yikes.

The likelihood that NHL revenue in 8 years is 7.3 billion which it would have to be for the cap to go up that much has to be extremely low. Next Canadian TV contract is probably worth less. Doubt the next US TV contract goes up by much. So they would have to more than double ticket prices to make up for flat TV revenue. Would people pay nearly a thousand bucks for two lower bowl seats on Tuesday in November to see the Flames play the Columbus Blue Jackets? Maybe

The only reason the cap is going up significantly in the next two years is because the players had to pay back for money owed over Covid. Revenue was expected to be 5.7 billion last year https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-salary-...ason-338733940

Players share of 5.7 billion would be about 89 million a team. For the cap to be anywhere near 114 million in 8 years revenue would have to be well north of 7 billion. In the last year before Covid NHL revenue was about 5.1 billion (18/19). In 4 years it went up by 600 million, over half of which was driven by a 7 year US TV deal they signed that increased revenue. That US TV money will be flat through 2029. So in 4 years they increased non-TV revenue by less than 300 million. To hit a big bump anytime after 2025 the NHL will have to bump non-TV revenue by another 600-800 million bucks.

[Yeah_Baby]

I wonder if FLA stumbles out of the gate with their injuries on the back end if the circle back to Hanifin.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I wonder if FLA stumbles out of the gate with their injuries on the back end if the circle back to Hanifin.

You know what would make me believe in this team again?

[TheIronMaiden]

Bennett when he was on was so much fun to watch.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The likelihood that NHL revenue in 8 years is 7.3 billion which it would have to be for the cap to go up that much has to be extremely low. Next Canadian TV contract is probably worth less. Doubt the next US TV contract goes up by much. So they would have to more than double ticket prices to make up for flat TV revenue. Would people pay nearly a thousand bucks for two lower bowl seats on Tuesday in November to see the Flames play the Columbus Blue Jackets? Maybe

The only reason the cap is going up significantly in the next two years is because the players had to pay back for money owed over Covid. Revenue was expected to be 5.7 billion last year https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-salary-...ason-338733940

Players share of 5.7 billion would be about 89 million a team. For the cap to be anywhere near 114 million in 8 years revenue would have to be well north of 7 billion. In the last year before Covid NHL revenue was about 5.1 billion (18/19). In 4 years it went up by 600 million, over half of which was driven by a 7 year US TV deal they signed that increased revenue. That US TV money will be flat through 2029. So in 4 years they increased non-TV revenue by less than 300 million. To hit a big bump anytime after 2025 the NHL will have to bump non-TV revenue by another 600-800 million bucks.

But the gambling corporations and rink ads have added so much value!

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The likelihood that NHL revenue in 8 years is 7.3 billion which it would have to be for the cap to go up that much has to be extremely low. Next Canadian TV contract is probably worth less. Doubt the next US TV contract goes up by much. So they would have to more than double ticket prices to make up for flat TV revenue. Would people pay nearly a thousand bucks for two lower bowl seats on Tuesday in November to see the Flames play the Columbus Blue Jackets? Maybe

The only reason the cap is going up significantly in the next two years is because the players had to pay back for money owed over Covid. Revenue was expected to be 5.7 billion last year https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-salary-...ason-338733940

Players share of 5.7 billion would be about 89 million a team. For the cap to be anywhere near 114 million in 8 years revenue would have to be well north of 7 billion. In the last year before Covid NHL revenue was about 5.1 billion (18/19). In 4 years it went up by 600 million, over half of which was driven by a 7 year US TV deal they signed that increased revenue. That US TV money will be flat through 2029. So in 4 years they increased non-TV revenue by less than 300 million. To hit a big bump anytime after 2025 the NHL will have to bump non-TV revenue by another 600-800 million bucks.

The revenue increases that the league is anticipating will also come from 2 primary sources you haven't mentioned, both of which will continue to see growth.

- Increase in sponsorships (there was a 21% increase last year to 1.28 billion)
- Increase in revenue from sports betting & fantasy hockey revenue (66% increase last year)

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/...sso_ott=9nAlVJ

$600-$800 million is entirely realistic over the next 3-4 years.

[Paulie Walnuts]

^^ Can we still count on sports betting?

Ontario made some laws not sure how much of an impact it will have but current and former players can no longer take part in ads.

With the large disdain for it will continue?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Well, look on the brightside- if we hit on some of our draft picks, and get some quality young players in trades, we could end up being some version of the LA Kings, or Dallas Stars. LA kept Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick (until this year), but reset with good young talent like Kempe, Vilardi (traded for Dubois) and Fiala, and still have raw upcoming talent like Turcotte, Kaliev, Byfield, and Brandt Clarke.

Dallas kept Benn, Pavelski, and Seguin, but hit it big with Hintz, Robertson, Johnston, Heiskanen, Oettinger, and Harley.

In four years, if we still have Huberdeau, Kadri, and Lindholm, hopefully we will have the hope that comes with some exciting youngsters- Pelletier, Zary, Poirier, Solovyov, and Wolf will be on the team hopefully, with Morin, Suniev, and Honzek coming in hot. Couple that with whatever we get for Backs and Hanifin, hopefully there's some youth in those trades.

With all due respect, neither the Dallas situation nor the LA situation are analogous.

For LA, Huberdeau/Kadri/Weegar are good enough players, but the three you mentioned for LA that they kept were literally all-stars. Kopitar and quick were absolutely vital to cup winning squads, and Doughty is also a former top 2 pick and is still only young 30s (more akin to keeping and signing Hanifin for e.g.) Further, you mention significant prospects that LA had to fail really hard to get- given the instance of several posters claiming to have inside knowledge that the flames won't let this occur, I fail to see how we could build as exciting a prospect base (where's our Byfield or Clarke? no offense to our guys but they're not there.)

For Dallas, they got obtusely lucky (or their scouting is way above average, take your pick.) Our scouting has proven to be very, very good at finding strong middle roster talent in later rounds, this is indisputeable. But outside of Gaudreau we have never really snagged a top performer from round 3+. Kylington and Andersson are good rd 2 snags, but again not on the level of a hintz, or a Robertson. In addition to getting obtusely lucky on offensive performers, they also failed really hard a few years, and landed Heskainen.
Dallas is a closer comp than LA, but I don't see a heskainen in our future.