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		|  09-06-2023, 04:34 PM | #62 |  
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					Originally Posted by Mathgod  I'm genuinely intrigued by the lack of faith many of you have in the Bengals. But let's see how things play out. |  
I honestly haven't paid enough attention to the offseason. Just feels like that entire division got better this year and the Bengals still have questions at o-line.
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		|  09-06-2023, 06:45 PM | #63 |  
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			I'm sure some of these will end up being way off as it's too based on last year...as usual half the 2022 playoff teams will suddenly suck, and a handful of teams that sucked last year will suddenly be good. But everybody else did one, so what the hey..
 AFC East:
 
 Bills
 
 Jets
 
 Dolphins
 
 Pats
 
 
 
 AFC North:
 
 
 Bengals
 Ravens
 
 Browns
 
 Steelers
 
 
 
 AFC South:
 
 Jags
 
 Titans
 Colts
 
 Texans
 
 
 
 
 AFC West:
 
 Chiefs
 Chargers
 
 Broncos
 
 
 Raiders
 
 
 
 
 NFC East:
 
 Eagles
 
 Cowboys
 
 Commanders
 
 Giants
 
 
 
 NFC North:
 Vikings
 
 
 Lions
 Packers
 
 Bears
 
 
 
 
 NFC South:
 
 Saints
 
 Panthers
 
 
 Falcons
 Buccaneers
 
 
 
 NFC West:
 
 
 Niners
 Seahawks
 
 Rams
 
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		|  09-06-2023, 08:07 PM | #64 |  
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					Originally Posted by rubecube  They went 9-0 in games decided by one score or less and had a -3 point differential for the season. That's about as lucky as you can get in a single season and usually indicates major regression for the following season (the Eagles also concern me in this department). Vegas has their O/U this year at 8.5 wins and I would not be surprised if the under hit. |  
Dont get me wrong. They arent a 13 win team, or even a 10 win team is unlikely. That being said, its among the worst divisions in football. 8-9 wins likely takes that division. I think that could be Minnesota of all the teams
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		|  09-06-2023, 08:12 PM | #65 |  
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					Originally Posted by Mathgod  I'm genuinely intrigued by the lack of faith many of you have in the Bengals. But let's see how things play out. |  
Tough division. If Watson can be a top 10 QB again, the Browns could be contenders too.
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		|  09-06-2023, 08:34 PM | #66 |  
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			Would love it it Watson's career craters and the Browns return to their rightful spot.
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		|  09-06-2023, 10:36 PM | #67 |  
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					Originally Posted by troutman  Tough division. If Watson can be a top 10 QB again, the Browns could be contenders too. |  
True but the way I see it the Bengals would have finished last year with 2 wins vs the Bills if not for the Hamlin situation and 2 wins vs the Chiefs if not for a very injured Oline. They would have had a pretty good shot at beating the Eagles too.
 
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		|  09-07-2023, 06:20 AM | #68 |  
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					Originally Posted by Mathgod  True but the way I see it the Bengals would have finished last year with 2 wins vs the Bills if not for the Hamlin situation and 2 wins vs the Chiefs if not for a very injured Oline. They would have had a pretty good shot at beating the Eagles too.
 Better team than people realize.
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I think everyone realizes the Bengals are a really good team. Problem is that the Chiefs are still the team to beat in the AFC so they get lumped in with the Bills, Ravens, even Jaguars due to their weak division.  If I have to pick a team today to come out of the AFC I'm taking the Chiefs every time as they have the best coach and the best QB and I don't think that's even debatable.
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		|  09-07-2023, 06:23 AM | #69 |  
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			For those who follow this more closely than I do (not hard), what’s the outlook for Green Bay and Arizona? From what I can determine, bleak for the Cards and meh for the Packers.
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		|  09-07-2023, 06:28 AM | #70 |  
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					Originally Posted by MoneyGuy  For those who follow this more closely than I do (not hard), what’s the outlook for Green Bay and Arizona? From what I can determine, bleak for the Cards and meh for the Packers. |  
You pretty well nailed it although if the Cards tank works as designed, you can argue they will be the biggest winner of any team outside of the one that wins the Super Bowl.
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		|  09-07-2023, 08:23 AM | #71 |  
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					Originally Posted by Erick Estrada  You pretty well nailed it although if the Cards tank works as designed, you can argue they will be the biggest winner of any team outside of the one that wins the Super Bowl. |  
Not so fast. 
 
Caleb William will go back college if the Cards get the 1st pick lol. 
 
In what league is Arizona not a joke in. 
 
Happy 1st day of football.
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		|  09-07-2023, 09:31 AM | #72 |  
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			There's a bit of an unknown factor with Green Bay and Jordan Love.  He might prove to be very ready, and they could be in contention for the Division.  It's a pretty open Division where honestly any of the teams could win it.  
 I saw some analytics model on the Athletic that projected the Cardinals to win a league low 5.7 games.  I'm almost willing to work on being flexible enough to lick my own arse if they can win 6 games.  I can't see them topping 3.
 
 I'll pick the Bengals to get to the Superbowl, lose to San Francisco since they always play NFC West teams if they get there...and than bungle Burrows contract and end up in a real mess.  It will make the Carson Palmer saga seem like a minor contract impasse.
 
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		|  09-07-2023, 09:56 AM | #73 |  
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					Originally Posted by Sylvanfan  There's a bit of an unknown factor with Green Bay and Jordan Love.  He might prove to be very ready, and they could be in contention for the Division.  It's a pretty open Division where honestly any of the teams could win it.  
 I saw some analytics model on the Athletic that projected the Cardinals to win a league low 5.7 games.  I'm almost willing to work on being flexible enough to lick my own arse if they can win 6 games.  I can't see them topping 3.
 
 I'll pick the Bengals to get to the Superbowl, lose to San Francisco since they always play NFC West teams if they get there...and than bungle Burrows contract and end up in a real mess.  It will make the Carson Palmer saga seem like a minor contract impasse.
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It sounds like they are close on a extension for Burrows. 
 
Cardinals have a legit shot at 0-17.
 
Love has been sitting behind a 2xMVP for 3 years if he isn't ready now I am not sure he ever will. Some of the highlights of him look decent but his mechanics look a bit awkward.
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		|  09-07-2023, 10:30 AM | #74 |  
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			I have a good friend in Phoenix. He’s hosted us a few tines for games with his season tickets. He says the Cards will be brutal and when I asked about Love he thinks the guy is good and will surprise people.
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		|  09-07-2023, 03:26 PM | #75 |  
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					Originally Posted by MoneyGuy  I have a good friend in Phoenix. He’s hosted us a few tines for games with his season tickets. He says the Cards will be brutal and when I asked about Love he thinks the guy is good and will surprise people. |  
Idiots should have taken Nathan Rourke off waivers.
 
Kyler Murray is also the most overrated QB in NFL history. You won't win a damn thing with him.
		 
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		|  09-07-2023, 04:15 PM | #76 |  
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			Kelce out tonight. 
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		|  09-07-2023, 05:46 PM | #77 |  
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			What's everyone's thougts on Skyy Moore? Disappointing year one. Can he breakout this season or is he a bust.
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		|  09-07-2023, 05:50 PM | #78 |  
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					Originally Posted by Sainters7  I'm sure some of these will end up being way off as it's too based on last year...as usual half the 2022 playoff teams will suddenly suck, and a handful of teams that sucked last year will suddenly be good. But everybody else did one, so what the hey..
 AFC East:
 
 Bills
 
 Jets
 
 Dolphins
 
 Pats
 
 
 
 AFC North:
 
 
 Bengals
 Ravens
 
 Browns
 
 Steelers
 
 
 
 AFC South:
 
 Jags
 
 Titans
 Colts
 
 Texans
 
 
 
 
 AFC West:
 
 Chiefs
 Chargers
 
 Broncos
 
 
 Raiders
 
 
 
 
 NFC East:
 
 Eagles
 
 Cowboys
 
 Commanders
 
 Giants
 
 
 
 NFC North:
 Vikings
 
 
 Lions
 Packers
 
 Bears
 
 
 
 
 NFC South:
 
 Saints
 
 Panthers
 
 
 Falcons
 Buccaneers
 
 
 
 NFC West:
 
 
 Niners
 Seahawks
 
 Rams
 
 Cards
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Roughly the same as mine, only a few adjustments: 
 
Seahawks lowered to be right above Rams  
Lions a space higher  
Browns right behind Ravens  
Fins behind Jets
 
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		|  09-07-2023, 06:07 PM | #79 |  
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					Originally Posted by Tuco  What's everyone's thougts on Skyy Moore? Disappointing year one. Can he breakout this season or is he a bust. |  
Andy Reid offences are tough on rookie receivers.  He wss also a second round pick as opposed to a blue chip prospect.  I expect he'll be a lot better this year.  Similar numbers to what Juju did last year is what I expect.
		 
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		|  09-07-2023, 06:08 PM | #80 |  
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			Sorry, but how many commentators do they need these days??
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