Violent clash in Calgary between Eritrean Groups

[Locke]

Perhaps we need to institutionalize some 'reverse racism.'

"Hi, welcome to Calgary, you're Eritrean are you? No we cant allow you to live in Castleridge, we've got too many Eritreans there already and we need to spread them out. You've been assigned to Bonavista. Here's your lake pass. Have a nice day!"

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Itse

I'm not going to pretend I know what that's about for a fact, but it's easy enough to speculate based on other countries.

First, conditioning / brainwashing. I've read some stuff claiming that despite having a single lifetime leader, it's more a one-party system rather than a cult of personality, but that doesn't really change the fact that when people grow up knowing only one thing, it can be hard to understand that options even exist or that you've been fed a bunch of BS your whole life.

Since Eritrea is super poor and isolated, meaning it's hard to leave, it's possible (PURE SPECULATION) that a disproportionate number of people leaving Eritrea are looking more for better living conditions than political asylum. (Even in dictatorships, not everyone gets persecuted equally. The most persecuted often find it impossible to leave.)

That way you'll have a big portion of Eritrean immigrants who think the problem is just that the country is super poor, not that there's something wrong with the government. If that's what you believe, then sending money back home to the government makes sense.

I can see how that would leave to fights breaking out. One group hates the oppressive government and sees the others as supporting a dictatorship. Other group sees a country in desperate need of financial support, and see the first group as people who would rather see Eritreans starve just because they don't like it's government.

All that makes sense, but I question whether indoctrinated people like that should be welcome into the body politic of Western countries. Certainly not all Eritreans are brainwashed to that extent. It kind of reminds me of how Japan has a Korean community that is loyal to North Korea. It's sad that people are brainwashed to that degree, but I don't see the value in importing those ideas to your country. It's kind of late for Japan because most of them are now born in Japan but were indoctrinated by their parents and community.

I guess I should dig into the Eritrean situation to get a better feel for it. Sometimes it's easy to just say dictators are bad, therefore people opposed to them are good. But then there are situations where one baddie is just replacing another baddie, like what happened in Cuba when Castro took over.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

All that makes sense, but I question whether indoctrinated people like that should be welcome into the body politic of Western countries. Certainly not all Eritreans are brainwashed to that extent. It kind of reminds me of how Japan has a Korean community that is loyal to North Korea. It's sad that people are brainwashed to that degree, but I don't see the value in importing those ideas to your country. It's kind of late for Japan because most of them are now born in Japan but were indoctrinated by their parents and community.

I guess I should dig into the Eritrean situation to get a better feel for it. Sometimes it's easy to just say dictators are bad, therefore people opposed to them are good. But then there are situations where one baddie is just replacing another baddie, like what happened in Cuba when Castro took over.

I want to stress again that I was simply speculating and I have no idea what the actual situation is or how those people view their situation.

Maybe they just think that helping Eritrea financially is both more realistic and a bigger priority than doing something about the political system.

My speculation should not be used as a basis for... really much anything

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Locke

Perhaps we need to institutionalize some 'reverse racism.'

"Hi, welcome to Calgary, you're Eritrean are you? No we cant allow you to live in Castleridge, we've got too many Eritreans there already and we need to spread them out. You've been assigned to Bonavista. Here's your lake pass. Have a nice day!"

That will only help if you keep people locked within their 15 minute city otherwise they will just travel across town to clash with each other.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Locke

Perhaps we need to institutionalize some 'reverse racism.'

"Hi, welcome to Calgary, you're Eritrean are you? No we cant allow you to live in Castleridge, we've got too many Eritreans there already and we need to spread them out. You've been assigned to Bonavista. Here's your lake pass. Have a nice day!"

Some countries do have immigration policies like that to avoid ethnic ghettos. I think it's more rare to have a country like Canada that doesn't promote assimilation. Then again, not many countries have built the kind of scheme that requires massive immigration just to keep the economy afloat.

[CliffFletcher]

I doubt the geographic location of the Eritrean community here played any role in the violence. In the 90s Calgary didn’t have Serbian and Croatian neighbourhoods, but that didn’t stop members of those communities from holding rallies and beating the #### out of one another.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I doubt the geographic location of the Eritrean community here played any role in the violence. In the 90s Calgary didn’t have Serbian and Croatian neighbourhoods, but that didn’t stop members of those communities from holding rallies and beating the #### out of one another.

ah the good old days

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I doubt the geographic location of the Eritrean community here played any role in the violence. In the 90s Calgary didn’t have Serbian and Croatian neighbourhoods, but that didn’t stop members of those communities from holding rallies and beating the #### out of one another.

I was being pretty heavily sarcastic, because I know it doesnt really work.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Locke

I was being pretty heavily sarcastic, because I know it doesnt really work.

Not without a moat

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Not without a moat

Are you suggesting Lake Bonavista has the orientation of their water all wrong?

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Just want to give props to one of the dudes fighting who wore the hockey helmet. I appreciate the Canadian flair added to this rivalry

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

Just want to give props to one of the dudes fighting who wore the hockey helmet. I appreciate the Canadian flair added to this rivalry

He thought it was a Donnybrook and came appropriately equipped! Dropped the gloves and put on the foil and everything!

Top shelf boys!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I doubt the geographic location of the Eritrean community here played any role in the violence. In the 90s Calgary didn’t have Serbian and Croatian neighbourhoods, but that didn’t stop members of those communities from holding rallies and beating the #### out of one another.

aka soccer matches

[you&me]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Are you suggesting Lake Bonavista has the orientation of their water all wrong?

You could think of the community as a moat of humanity, to keep the best part - the lake - secure.

[activeStick]

I've never understood the willingness to cast one group of people from an other nation as being brainwashed all while refusing to consider that we too, may be under the same influence at home. Just like how we here have people who can form their own opinions despite the 24/7 consumption of news that's provided to us easily, other people who look very different from us can also do the same.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I've never understood the willingness to cast one group of people from an other nation as being brainwashed all while refusing to consider that we too, may be under the same influence at home. Just like how we here have people who can form their own opinions despite the 24/7 consumption of news that's provided to us easily, other people who look very different from us can also do the same.

Disinformation is turning otherwise rational people into sociopathic maniacs.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I've never understood the willingness to cast one group of people from an other nation as being brainwashed all while refusing to consider that we too, may be under the same influence at home. Just like how we here have people who can form their own opinions despite the 24/7 consumption of news that's provided to us easily, other people who look very different from us can also do the same.

To be perfectly honest, I think if people from elsewhere are bringing violence here we should deport them. Stories like this one reduce public support for immigration, and feed stereotypes.

The vast, vast majority of immigrants are not violent troublemakers. The ones who are should get kicked out swiftly.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

That will only help if you keep people locked within their 15 minute city otherwise they will just travel across town to clash with each other.

Man if I was assigned a Lake Bonavista house, I would forget all my cultural roots and assimilate immediately and never talk to my roots again. Oh man I could also visit Video Game Trader every day.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

To be perfectly honest, I think if people from elsewhere are bringing violence here we should deport them. Stories like this one reduce public support for immigration, and feed stereotypes.



The vast, vast majority of immigrants are not violent troublemakers. The ones who are should get kicked out swiftly.

Amen.

Canada has enough problems without these jerks bringing their crap here and consuming resources.

Smarten up or GTFO.

[chemgear]

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-p...mory-1.6548998

Calgary police say no charges have been laid in a violent clash in the northeast community of Falconridge on Saturday that saw many people injured, but a task force has been formed to investigate who should face charges.

Chief Constable Mark Neufeld spoke about the large-scale altercation at a news conference on Tuesday, saying it was a "planned, targeted attack."

Neufeld says Calgary police arrived on scene to find people armed with weapons like sticks and bats, some even wearing helmets, engaged in a battle.

He says there were rocks, bottles and other projectiles being thrown and that arriving officers didn't have protective gear on.

A dozen people ended up in hospital, some with serious injuries. Neufeld says it's believed those who were injured were involved in the violent conflict.

In total, it’s estimated 150 people were involved.

"This is really the largest violent event to happen in our city in recent memory," Neufeld said.

"There's no justification for the behaviour we saw. That was bananas."