[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

When people say just be positive, that is what they are suggesting. Being blanket positive regardless of what happens requires ignoring reality. All I suggest is people should be free to judge each situation based on how they see it, being “positive” no matter what makes zero sense to me.

Nobody has suggested doing this nor is anyone doing this, so I have to assume this another one of those “fake narratives” or whatever you keep talking about.

I think most people who get annoyed with the Debbie Downers would be perfectly fine if you guys kept on being negative, just kept it to yourself once in a while instead of repeating the same thing 1000 times.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Anyone who thinks there is some conspiracy or cabal (as is evidence from some posters) - yes, they should be aware of how things are run here. Bingo has said "I'm not a mod" so many times, he really shouldn't have to any more.

He's not a mod he's a troll, don't you remember

Originally Posted by GGG

I can;t believe they still let that CDC paste eating troll bingo moderate here.

Good times.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

If you are just going to ignore what people write and make up your narrative what is the point?

What am I ignoring exactly?

Pointing out your usage of truth and reality over opinion is precisely the point.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

When people say just be positive, that is what they are suggesting. Being blanket positive regardless of what happens requires ignoring reality. All I suggest is people should be free to judge each situation based on how they see it, being “positive” no matter what makes zero sense to me.

I won't speak for team positive ... but personally I'd be fine with disagreeing with any positive opinions I have as long as you do so without suggesting I'm ignoring reality or avoiding truths.

Neither are correct.

Ignoring your opinion? All the time!

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Nobody has suggested doing this nor is anyone doing this, so I have to assume this another one of those “fake narratives” or whatever you keep talking about.

People have said to me multiple times just be positive, it is supposed to be fun to be a fan so be positive etc. So not a fake narrative but something that is actually happening.

I think most people who get annoyed with the Debbie Downers would be perfectly fine if you guys kept on being negative, just kept it to yourself once in a while instead of repeating the same thing 1000 times.

Who is repeating it 1000 times? Certainly not me, if someone is you should talk to them about it.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I won't speak for team positive ... but personally I'd be fine with disagreeing with any positive opinions I have as long as you do so without suggesting I'm ignoring reality or avoiding truths.

Neither are correct.

Ignoring your opinion? All the time!

Where have I suggested that you are ignoring reality or avoiding truths?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Where have I suggested that you are ignoring reality or avoiding truths?

I've quoted your post twice ... to Groot I think.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Spurs

When people say just be positive, that is what they are suggesting. Being blanket positive regardless of what happens requires ignoring reality. All I suggest is people should be free to judge each situation based on how they see it, being “positive” no matter what makes zero sense to me.

Here are my 5 cents on the issue. It's not about being positive or negative. It's about trying to convince people with an opposing view that this one view is better, more correct, or the only one worth considering. Even when you use numbers, analytics, whatever, they still can't predict the future completely. People are just tired of hearing the same arguments from both sides over and over, especially when those arguments go in circles and continually escalate. That's where discussion turns into bickering.

I personally love the discussion we have here, and I enjoy disagreeing with other posters while hearing a different perspective. I actually, prefer to discuss something with posters that think differently from me, helps me learn new things every day. The problem as always is that we're all very passionate about the Flames, and so when things don't go well it's easy to get frustrated and take it let it all out here on eachother.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I've quoted your post twice ... to Groot I think.

That post had nothing to do with you the post to Groot was in regards to him saying people should just be positive or say nothing (yes I am paraphrasing here.) It didn't say you (or others) were lying or ignoring truth, so again where did I say what you claim?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

That post had nothing to do with you the post to Groot was in regards to him saying people should just be positive or say nothing (yes I am paraphrasing here.) It didn't say you (or others) were lying or ignoring truth, so again where did I say what you claim?

Then why did you reply to Groot when he was talking about people being negative in general?

I have special restrictions where I can only respond when I'm mentioned?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Then why did you reply to Groot when he was talking about people being negative in general?

I have special restrictions where I can only respond when I'm mentioned?

Because Groot was clearly including me in the group of people that he was talking about. Based on his repeated past comments to me.

You can reply to any post you like but I am asking you to show me where I accused you or even suggested you of doing the things you say.

Where have I suggested that you have ignored reality or avoided truths? The replies to Groot didn't do that at all.

[Freeway]

...so what's happening with Elias Lindholm?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Elliote Friedman said it's been quiet all offseason.

So whatever RCMPDAVE is saying it's not jiving with what everyone else is saying.

I think it's a Weegar timeline when it gets done.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Because Groot was clearly including me in the group of people that he was talking about. Based on his repeated past comments to me.

You can reply to any post you like but I am asking you to show me where I accused you or even suggested you of doing the things you say.

Where have I suggested that you have ignored reality or avoided truths? The replies to Groot didn't do that at all.

And I've been involved on the positive side for 23 years.

What's your point?

You're replied not specifically to Groot, when he replied not specifically to you.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Freeway

...so what's happening with Elias Lindholm?

Frank Seravalli on 960 discusses it with Steinberg. Recap from Ryan Pike.

One of the interesting interviews that was done recently was involving Elias Lindholm in Sweden. He talked to a Swedish reporter about how he’d be willing to stay. From what I understand, the Flames and Lindholm have really been quiet this summer when it came to contract negotiations. I would expect that to pick up as he returns and things get closer to the season. I think the Flames were prepared, after they made some of their decisions – trading Tyler Toffoli and hearing that Noah Hanifin was not going to extend – that they were prepared to let things play out a little bit over the summer. Everybody gets some downtime, just relax and refresh, and they’d get back to those conversations around now or in the near future. So I would expect things with Lindholm to pick up a bit, but I don’t think anything’s imminent there despite what Lindholm said to the Swedish reporter. That’s good news for the Flames and their fans, but everybody has to get to a place where they’re comfortable.

-Friedman's quote from 32 thoughts

[bluejays]

I really don't get the Lindholm thing. If he said now he's willing to stay, there should be a number they can all agree on (or that they're aware of). If the Flames want to do short term and Lindholm wants the full bag, they're at a crossroads and he should be dealt. It seems like sudden unnecessary posturing to publicly say he doesn't mind signing when his camp has to this point taken a break from continuing talks. It's such a weird stance to take. I've said it a few times I truly hope they move on because of his age especially if he's looking for a long term signing.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

People have said to me multiple times just be positive, it is supposed to be fun to be a fan so be positive etc. So not a fake narrative but something that is actually happening.

Oh, OK, I didn’t realize it was actually happening. Can you quote one post telling you specifically to “just be positive” so I can emphasize with your struggle?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The way I look at the lindholm situation is I look across the division at LA and what they've done there while keeping Kopitar in the fold well into his 30s.

The Kings have shown that you can build up your roster with young talent and still have that guy factor into the next core and be an effective 200 ft leader for the kids and get back to perennial playoff status.

I see the same potential with Lindholm.

You just want it to be at a reasonable cost that you can work with.

The Kings had Kopitar, Quick and the one of the greatest dman of his generation on contracts longer than 3 years in 2019 when they started their partial rebuild. Those two players made up 33% of the salary cap at that time in 2019

The Flames have players of definitely lesser historical ability that are older and signed longterm. The Flames players (assuming Lindholm signs for 8.5) have 4 players signed for more than 3 years make 44.5% of the current cap. The Flames definitely have more older players locked up longterm than the Kings ever did. The flexibility the Kings had allowed them to rebuild quicker than one would normally expect.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Oh, OK, I didn’t realize it was actually happening. Can you quote one post telling you specifically to “just be positive” so I can emphasize with your struggle?

First of all I never said it was a struggle or asked for you to emphasize but if you are interested the Groot post earlier in this thread and a post in the Stampeders thread are two examples. There are others, it is a pretty common said thing here that fans should be positive, didn't realize people would doubt it as it really isn't controversial or uncommon.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And I've been involved on the positive side for 23 years.

What's your point?

You're replied not specifically to Groot, when he replied not specifically to you.

My point is and I will repeat again when did I suggest that you or people who have similar views do anything of the things you are saying I did.