[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

And there are quite a few that bought the auto-renewing subscription to "The Wizard" and his greatness. Can't believe that someone who drove this franchise onto the off ramp to mediocrity managed to pull the wool over the eyes of so many.

Who are you talking about? wtf.

Yes folks cheered when Treliving pulled off a great trade or signing. You didn't? Honestly? Because if you kept that rain cloud over your head when he made some good moves would kind of indicate you have a problem.

EDIT: I replied before seeing a full battle and pile-on ensued. Moving on. Hopefully others can too? This constant battle of folks who want to see the team do well and see positivity when it occurs vs the never ending dark views of others is getting tiresome.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Groot

I'd argue that on a dedicated fan forum, fans acting like fans don't need to constantly defend themselves and the team they are a fan of. If their wasn't rampant negativity in every topic, then maybe we wouldn't have to regurgitate reminders.

Homer takes have every right to be called out just as trolls are. This is a message board. Constructive debate is kind of the point of this whole thing. When valid points are made in counter argument to the majority ‘business as usual’ fans it just always ends up here…disregarding people as toxic pessimists who want to see the world burn.

Being a huge fan of the team and at the same time critical of the strategy aren’t mutually exclusive.

And lumping anyone who opposes as trolls trying to convince everyone to rebuild is a mischaracterization.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Don’t forget about those of us on Team Neutral.

Oh yeah...and trade Lindholm.

[Enoch Root]

This site has become completely unreadable.

And it isn't a case of positive against negative, it's a case of a dozen or so posters, who jump on every single discussion point, and tell us over and over, ad nauseum, that the Flames suck, the organization sucks, the players suck, the GM sucks, the coach sucks, their drafting sucks, their trading sucks... and that the team has been mediocre forever, therefore will continue to be mediocre forever.

We get it. You're not happy with the team. That's fine, because they haven't been very good. But it's time to step back and ask yourself how many times you need to post THE EXACT SAME THING? Because it is way beyond tedious. It is killing all rational conversation. And it is ruining this site.

I know you won't listen, but I'll try anyway: Opinions aren't facts, they are opinions. Negativity isn't reality, it is negativity. There is nothing wrong with having a negative opinion about the team. But please learn how to be a functioning human, and come back here when you are able to have rational conversations about the topics at hand, not jump on every conversation with: the team is mediocre and always will be, and all the players suck. That is not a conversation. Please figure that much out at least.

/r

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

The way I look at the lindholm situation is I look across the division at LA and what they've done there while keeping Kopitar in the fold well into his 30s.

The Kings have shown that you can build up your roster with young talent and still have that guy factor into the next core and be an effective 200 ft leader for the kids and get back to perennial playoff status.

I see the same potential with Lindholm.

You just want it to be at a reasonable cost that you can work with.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think there is a ton of evidence that development has been an issue. I will agree that in particular, last year, it seems like there was reluctance to play young players at the NHL level, but there are also not a ton knocking on the door passed the obvious top group. And I think that's primarily driven by the lack of picks, including top round picks. All things hopefully now to be corrected under new leadership.

I wasn't arguing it was an issue, just making an observation. I'm pretty happy with the amount of Flames prospects that end up in the NHL. It seems as though we have a bit of a harder time developing top end talent lately.

In order for a player to become an NHLer, let alone an impact NHLer so much has to go right. Sometimes it's just a matter of a different perspective, the right coach, and the right opportunity.

Bennett, and Valimaki were good examples of that. They looked like completely different and better players in different roles after they moved away from CGY. Maybe there are some adjustments that can be made, so that next time our young players take that extra step in development with the Flames organization.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This site has become completely unreadable.

And it isn't a case of positive against negative, it's a case of a dozen or so posters, who jump on every single discussion point, and tell us over and over, ad nauseum, that the Flames suck, the organization sucks, the players suck, the GM sucks, the coach sucks, their drafting sucks, their trading sucks... and that the team has been mediocre forever, therefore will continue to be mediocre forever.

We get it. You're not happy with the team. That's fine, because they haven't been very good. But it's time to step back and ask yourself how many times you need to post THE EXACT SAME THING? Because it is way beyond tedious. It is killing all rational conversation. And it is ruining this site.

I know you won't listen, but I'll try anyway: Opinions aren't facts, they are opinions. Negativity isn't reality, it is negativity. There is nothing wrong with having a negative opinion about the team. But please learn how to be a functioning human, and come back here when you are able to have rational conversations about the topics at hand, not jump on every conversation with: the team is mediocre and always will be, and all the players suck. That is not a conversation. Please figure that much out at least.

/r

How does this rant, I've personally read 100s of times from different posters, make things better or more readable? Does it add anything? Does it fix anything? Has anyone here ever said: "you're right I'm being too negative I should stop now"?

All those things apply to my post as well, so I know it's pointless and feel your pain.

[Enoch Root]

Do you see the irony in ranting about my rant?

[NegativeSpace]

The problem that I had with Treliving’s regime was regularly signing veterans for lower line up roles and frequently trading for 3rd pairing defencemen with second and third round picks. It wasn’t enough of an issue for me to think he should be fired. If Conroy gives more priority to younger players and stops bleeding draft picks, then I think the team’s scouting and development should be fine.

I also second the comment that the constant trashing of the team because they aren’t doing a rebuild is tiring to read everyday. It is a valid opinion, but it has been said - a lot. There are other valid opinions too. There seems less discussion and more emoting in the forum.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Do you see the irony in ranting about my rant?

Exactly! That's why I said my post was pointless too. I was ranting with a smile, not taking myself too seriously, and that's all that counts.

Just don't let this place ruin your mood. A few wins, and everyone is going to be pumped and planning the parade.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This site has become completely unreadable.

And it isn't a case of positive against negative, it's a case of a dozen or so posters, who jump on every single discussion point, and tell us over and over, ad nauseum, that the Flames suck, the organization sucks, the players suck, the GM sucks, the coach sucks, their drafting sucks, their trading sucks... and that the team has been mediocre forever, therefore will continue to be mediocre forever.


/r

It's doesn't really bother me but this is the case with the same few people who come in with an opposite, positive take on everything. Like there is literally a poster here who's takes are so predictable, that there's really no point in reading his posts. I can absolutely guess what he is going to say on any given topic because he is a total homer on everything.

So this criticism should go both ways, if it's a criticism at all. It's a message forum after all, people should be able to post what they want without others saying what to post. Whether positive or negative (and by who's standards would you even draw the line here?) I don't think it's possible for anyone to even arbitrate that fairly.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This site has become completely unreadable.

And it isn't a case of positive against negative, it's a case of a dozen or so posters, who jump on every single discussion point, and tell us over and over, ad nauseum, that the Flames suck, the organization sucks, the players suck, the GM sucks, the coach sucks, their drafting sucks, their trading sucks... and that the team has been mediocre forever, therefore will continue to be mediocre forever.

We get it. You're not happy with the team. That's fine, because they haven't been very good. But it's time to step back and ask yourself how many times you need to post THE EXACT SAME THING? Because it is way beyond tedious. It is killing all rational conversation. And it is ruining this site.

I know you won't listen, but I'll try anyway: Opinions aren't facts, they are opinions. Negativity isn't reality, it is negativity. There is nothing wrong with having a negative opinion about the team. But please learn how to be a functioning human, and come back here when you are able to have rational conversations about the topics at hand, not jump on every conversation with: the team is mediocre and always will be, and all the players suck. That is not a conversation. Please figure that much out at least.

/r

The rationale that makes it "factual" to them is always "because it's been that way for the past x decades" too.

The only constant in reality is that things are always changing and in flux. There are so many variables and anomalies that there is the potential for any outcome at any time, especially in this game.

Using the past, which involved different personnel, management and circumstances, as a predictor of the future is in itself faulty logic, not being realistic.

Like you say, pessimism is pessimism. Sometimes it's correct, but sometimes it isn't.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This site has become completely unreadable.

And it isn't a case of positive against negative, it's a case of a dozen or so posters, who jump on every single discussion point, and tell us over and over, ad nauseum, that the Flames suck, the organization sucks, the players suck, the GM sucks, the coach sucks, their drafting sucks, their trading sucks... and that the team has been mediocre forever, therefore will continue to be mediocre forever.

We get it. You're not happy with the team. That's fine, because they haven't been very good. But it's time to step back and ask yourself how many times you need to post THE EXACT SAME THING? Because it is way beyond tedious. It is killing all rational conversation. And it is ruining this site.

I know you won't listen, but I'll try anyway: Opinions aren't facts, they are opinions. Negativity isn't reality, it is negativity. There is nothing wrong with having a negative opinion about the team. But please learn how to be a functioning human, and come back here when you are able to have rational conversations about the topics at hand, not jump on every conversation with: the team is mediocre and always will be, and all the players suck. That is not a conversation. Please figure that much out at least.

/r

Its the same with people getting upset we are not rebuilding and haven't traded Lindholm for pennies.

They have stated numerous times, the GM job search, the coaching search it was all based on them trying to be a playoff team not rebuild. Yes some tweaks are needed with youth which has been stated.

The organization has literally said we are not rebuilding, yet people still get upset when they hear we want to sign Lindholm.

You can feel whatever way you like, but the fact is this is the situation thinking it will be different you are getting upset at something that will not happen.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Saqe

It's doesn't really bother me but this is the case with the same few people who come in with an opposite, positive take on everything. Like there is literally a poster here who's takes are so predictable, that there's really no point in reading his posts. I can absolutely guess what he is going to say on any given topic because he is a total homer on everything.

So this criticism should go both ways, if it's a criticism at all. It's a message forum after all, people should be able to post what they want without others saying what to post. Whether positive or negative (and by who's standards would you even draw the line here?) I don't think it's possible for anyone to even arbitrate that fairly.

I would agree for the most part ... I certainly roll my eyes that those that defend every single thing Flame and never waiver from that defense mechanism.

I lean to the positive for sure ... I do in most things in life. I don't have that default "everything is going to suck" angle on things, and for that I'm sure I annoy some.

But to me the difference has always been the fact that negativity and positivity aren't equal. It's a fan site. People here should be fans.

I think anyone who holds to everything is either perfect or doomed as defaults are incredulous, but at least the positive person fits the "fan" definition more closely (admiration, etc)

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think there is a ton of evidence that development has been an issue. I will agree that in particular, last year, it seems like there was reluctance to play young players at the NHL level, but there are also not a ton knocking on the door passed the obvious top group. And I think that's primarily driven by the lack of picks, including top round picks. All things hopefully now to be corrected under new leadership.

Totally agree. I think the development staff of the Flames are doing a good job.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This site has become completely unreadable.

And it isn't a case of positive against negative, it's a case of a dozen or so posters, who jump on every single discussion point, and tell us over and over, ad nauseum, that the Flames suck, the organization sucks, the players suck, the GM sucks, the coach sucks, their drafting sucks, their trading sucks... and that the team has been mediocre forever, therefore will continue to be mediocre forever.

We get it. You're not happy with the team. That's fine, because they haven't been very good. But it's time to step back and ask yourself how many times you need to post THE EXACT SAME THING? Because it is way beyond tedious. It is killing all rational conversation. And it is ruining this site.

I know you won't listen, but I'll try anyway: Opinions aren't facts, they are opinions. Negativity isn't reality, it is negativity. There is nothing wrong with having a negative opinion about the team. But please learn how to be a functioning human, and come back here when you are able to have rational conversations about the topics at hand, not jump on every conversation with: the team is mediocre and always will be, and all the players suck. That is not a conversation. Please figure that much out at least.

/r

I've gotten to the point where I now scan threads only for news and avoid discussions.

ETA: Except the E=NG threads; those I enjoy reading every single post.

[Major Major]

Fact is, there are optimal times for teams to do scorched Earth rebuilds. For the Flames, it was in Summer of '22.

You can't have a blanket approach that dictates that all middling teams should rebuild because that is the shortest way to become a top team. That just isn't true in many situations such as the soft market conditions the league is currently experiencing. The Flames are much closer to being a good team now than if they traded several UFA's for underwhelming returns. So you recoup some draft capital and sign the guys you can and trust that you can still make good moves to improve your team.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You’ve convinced me. Let’s miss the playoffs for 12 years to maybe build something with maybe a possible sort of chance if everything goes right to make the playoffs because rebuilding is awesome and the only thing better than losing a lot of the time is losing even more of the time!

...so you mean...like the Oilers?

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I would agree for the most part ... I certainly roll my eyes that those that defend every single thing Flame and never waiver from that defense mechanism.

I lean to the positive for sure ... I do in most things in life. I don't have that default "everything is going to suck" angle on things, and for that I'm sure I annoy some.

But to me the difference has always been the fact that negativity and positivity aren't equal. It's a fan site. People here should be fans.

I think anyone who holds to everything is either perfect or doomed as defaults are incredulous, but at least the positive person fits the "fan" definition more closely (admiration, etc)

I think the truth should be the standard not positivity or negativity as a baseline. It should be a free market place of ideas and the ideas closest to truth should ideally win, regardless whether they are negative or positive. But you obviously have the arbitration rights here so you can draw the line anywhere, although once you gown down that path it's an endless swamp lol.

[taxbuster]

Well, well, well. I went away without (mostly) Internet for around 10 days of camping in the smoky south of Saskatachewan...beautiful and quiet...no negativity except for the crappy air quality some days....and CP is just the same as ever.

What a place to be!

Can't wait for hockey season to actually START so that we can bitch about how Player X is misused or was in the Press Box too much, or is totally useless because he can't pass....