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[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Mostly in their 30's is a stretch

Eichel, Karlsson, both goalies, Theodore, Stephenson all below 30, plus Barbashev who was a top 5 scorer in the play-offs for them not sure he is core though.

Stone, Pietrangelo, Marchessault, Martinez (core?), Smith (core?) over 30.

So at best it looks like a 50/50 split depending on who you figure is core and how deep down the roster you go. But even with the shallowest view I think it is fair to say 50/50 with Eichel, Thompson/Hill, Theordore vs. Stone, Marcehssault, Pietrangelo.

Being 30 is in your 30's. So go ahead and add Karlsson to that list as well.
So now you have Pietrangelo, Marchessault, Stone and Karlsson. I don't see Martinez or Smith as core guys. But I also don't really view Barbashev as one either. He did play great in the playoffs. But a guy with 60 points once and other then that not really close, isn't really a core guy. I mean McNabb played really good in the finals, but I don't see him as a "core" guy. The point is, there's lots of 30 p!us players on the roster. So who's the one feeding this board BS?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Wrong. These were responses to the very specific assertion that a team whose core players averaging +30-years-old cannot win. That is false.

I don't think anyone is positing that the Flames are just like VGK, nor that it is a model to follow. The point is that there 8s no one way to win, and every time a different type of team does win, it debunks an old assertion. If the Flames win the Vup this year—which is theoretically possible—they will chip away at false assertions currently held by what teams can or cannot win. This is the same for ANY team that wins the 2024 Stanley Cup.


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Vegas had 6 players 30 or older who played regularly on their Stanley Cup team, the other 14 players were in their 20’s

Washington had 4 players 30 or older who played on their Stanley Cup team, the other 16 players were in their 20’s.

Those were the two old teams that were cited as models that you can win with an old team.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I’d argue this regurgitated reminder that negativity isn’t welcome is just as tiring.

I'd argue that on a dedicated fan forum, fans acting like fans don't need to constantly defend themselves and the team they are a fan of. If their wasn't rampant negativity in every topic, then maybe we wouldn't have to regurgitate reminders.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Vegas had 6 players 30 or older who played regularly on their Stanley Cup team, the other 14 players were in their 20’s

Washington had 4 players 30 or older who played on their Stanley Cup team, the other 16 players were in their 20’s.

Those were the two old teams that were cited as models that you can win with an old team.

Vegas had 7. Yes 13 were in their 20's. How many core guys though?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Being 30 is in your 30's. So go ahead and add Karlsson to that list as well.
So now you have Pietrangelo, Marchessault, Stone and Karlsson. I don't see Martinez or Smith as core guys. But I also don't really view Barbashev as one either. He did play great in the playoffs. But a guy with 60 points once and other then that not really close, isn't really a core guy. I mean McNabb played really good in the finals, but I don't see him as a "core" guy. The point is, there's lots of 30 p!us players on the roster. So who's the one feeding this board BS?

You are because mostly 30 plus was a lie.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Vegas had 6 players 30 or older who played regularly on their Stanley Cup team, the other 14 players were in their 20’s

Washington had 4 players 30 or older who played on their Stanley Cup team, the other 16 players were in their 20’s.

Those were the two old teams that were cited as models that you can win with an old team.

We just need a Stone, Eichel, and Pietrangelo or the greatest goal scorer of all time and then we’ll be on the same page as these teams.

There’s always hope. We just need to be the top UFA destination or draft one of the top-5 players of all time without drafting near the top of the draft because rebuilding is stupid.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Spurs

You are because mostly 30 plus was a lie.

So was trying to slide Karlsson into your core to boost your numbers. Tell you what, you lie to your friends, I'll lie to mine, but let's not lie to each other.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Wrong. These were responses to the very specific assertion that a team whose core players averaging +30-years-old cannot win. That is false.

I don't think anyone is positing that the Flames are just like VGK, nor that it is a model to follow. The point is that there 8s no one way to win, and every time a different type of team does win, it debunks an old assertion. If the Flames win the Vup this year—which is theoretically possible—they will chip away at false assertions currently held by what teams can or cannot win. This is the same for ANY team that wins the 2024 Stanley Cup.


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I wasn't part of whatever the intital back and forth was, so I was only responding to the idea that if Vegas' 30 year old core can do it, so can we.

Regardless of that, my underlying point is that there IS only one way to win. Elite-level talent throughout the lineup.

Even the most blue-collar wins of recent years... LA had Kopitar, Doughty and Quick. St Louis had ROR, Tarasenko, Pietrangelo and Binnington. Even the 04 Flames had Iggy and Kipper (and lost to a much more stacked team).

Old/young, fast/slow, offensive/deffensive... those are all secondary traits to the only thing that matters: do you have elite talent at F, D and G? Or at the very least good enough talent to be elite-when-needed (Binnington and Hill come to mind here) at one position mixed with elite talent elsewhere.

At the end of the day, nobody should care about ages or systems untill you have the talent. The goal should be to get (and KEEP) elite talent, because that's how you win. Then you can worry about how old that talent is or who the coach is and what systems they play.


Back to the car analogy. Of course engines, fuel management, gear ratios, tires and drivers count... but none of that matters if you're a Nissan trying to race a Ferrari.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We just need a Stone, Eichel, and Pietrangelo or the greatest goal scorer of all time and then we’ll be on the same page as these teams.

There’s always hope. We just need to be the top UFA destination or draft one of the top-5 players of all time without drafting near the top of the draft because rebuilding is stupid.

You’ve convinced me. Let’s miss the playoffs for 12 years to maybe build something with maybe a possible sort of chance if everything goes right to make the playoffs because rebuilding is awesome and the only thing better than losing a lot of the time is losing even more of the time!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You’ve convinced me. Let’s miss the playoffs for 12 years to maybe build something with maybe a possible sort of chance if everything goes right to make the playoffs because rebuilding is awesome and the only thing better than losing a lot of the time is losing even more of the time!

I've got a better plan for you! Let's keep going the way we've been going, and between now and 2041, we'll have won another two playoff series...maybe even get really lucky and snag another one of those play-in round victories during the next pandemic!

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

So was trying to slide Karlsson into your core to boost your numbers. Tell you what, you lie to your friends, I'll lie to mine, but let's not lie to each other.

Karlsson was 29 to start the season last year, it wasn't lying and take out Karlsson your mostly statement is still wrong.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Karlsson was 29 to start the season last year, it wasn't lying and take out Karlsson your mostly statement is still wrong.

Lol, their best players were 30 +.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Lol, their best players were 30 +.

Their leading scorer wasn't, their 2nd leading scorer wasn't, their top two goalies weren't, their 2nd defenseman wasn't.

LOL indeed.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Their leading scorer wasn't, their 2nd leading scorer wasn't, their top two goalies weren't, their 2nd defenseman wasn't.

LOL indeed.

Regular season or when it mattered in the playoffs? That's what this is all about. Not about regular season champs. Otherwise I'd only have to point to Boston as another team with valuable 30 plus players.
Who won the Conn Smyth?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Vegas had 6 players 30 or older who played regularly on their Stanley Cup team, the other 14 players were in their 20’s

Washington had 4 players 30 or older who played on their Stanley Cup team, the other 16 players were in their 20’s.

Those were the two old teams that were cited as models that you can win with an old team.

All this tells me is there are more players in their 20’s than there are players in their 30’s.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Regular season or when it mattered in the playoffs? That's what this is all about. Not about regular season champs. Otherwise I'd only have to point to Boston as another team with valuable 30 plus players.
Who won the Conn Smyth?

If you want to pretend that in the play-offs Eichel, Theodore, Hill weren't the best players for Vegas go ahead. Yes Jonathan Marchessault won the Conn Smythe I don't think anyone said zero players above 30 were good, but it certainly was not the case that the majority of their best players were 30+.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Spurs

If you want to pretend that in the play-offs Eichel, Theodore, Hill weren't the best players for Vegas go ahead. Yes Jonathan Marchessault won the Conn Smythe I don't think anyone said zero players above 30 were good, but it certainly was not the case that the majority of their best players were 30+.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You’ve convinced me. Let’s miss the playoffs for 12 years to maybe build something with maybe a possible sort of chance if everything goes right to make the playoffs because rebuilding is awesome and the only thing better than losing a lot of the time is losing even more of the time!

The other super cool thing about rebuilding is we get to pour over scouting reports blowing hot air about how awesome all of our prospects are promised to be! Personal issues, injuries, loss of motivation, scouting errors almost never occur.

Each and every one of these guys will set us on a meteoric rise to greatness in three years, tops.

That’s how you do it, dummies.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I've got a better plan for you! Let's keep going the way we've been going, and between now and 2041, we'll have won another two playoff series...maybe even get really lucky and snag another one of those play-in round victories during the next pandemic!

The funny part about this is that you guys complain about how little the Flames have accomplished and mock stuff like the play-in round win when those tiny, “laughable” victories are all we have to show for the last rebuild, the exact same thing you won’t stop whining about us doing another of.

So uh, yeah, “keep going the way we’ve been going” sounds like exactly what you guys want. We know.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TOfan

The other super cool thing about rebuilding is we get to pour over scouting reports blowing hot air about how awesome all of our prospects are promised to be! Personal issues, injuries, loss of motivation, scouting errors almost never occur.

Each and every one of these guys will set us on a meteoric rise to greatness in three years, tops.

That’s how you do it, dummies.

Give me a glass of wine or a beer and within two years…something something