[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[Otto-matic]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1698733505642144180

I’ve asked source about Lindy: A) player seems more confident the vibe around the team has improved. B) overall dollar total pretty much dialled in c) player and team believe there will be an extension d) hold up is trade protection and sign bonus structure (not close on this)

Im assuming we'll have a deal done when Elias arrives in Canada.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Not really sure how any fan would know whether someone “thinks things through”. If they back up the brinks truck he will sign. He is not an idiot, he is not worth anywhere near 9 million anywhere else.

You’re presuming there is an offer of $9M on the table. Unless I’ve missed something, I don’t think that’s been reported.

How do you know if, say, Columbus wouldn’t offer the same?

As for thinking things through, he is a grown man so I assume he is.

By the logic you just laid out, I suppose Matthews, McDavid, Makar, MacKinnon, Stamkos, and more are all idiots for not taking more money…..especially Gaudreau and Tkachuck.

Lotta idiots around the NHL.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

And there are quite a few that bought the auto-renewing subscription to "The Wizard" and his greatness. Can't believe that someone who drove this franchise onto the off ramp to mediocrity managed to pull the wool over the eyes of so many.

Have you set up some sort of automation where you get an alert when Treliving is mentioned on this board? We get it, you don’t like him. You think he is the worst. You want everyone to agree. You’re incredulous that not everyone agrees, blah blah blah

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Elliot said it was quiet over the summer and not much negotiating was done between the sides.

He expects it to pick up this week and thinks the comment's from Lindholm are a positive sign but nothing is imminent.

Okay. I know the Flames believe they have a roster than can compete now. You have to have Lindy to do that. So, signing Lindy would be a positive towards the goal of competing now. I just hope it doesn’t go too much over 8 * 8.5, which I believe has been suggested by those who have sources in the organization.

It does make me feel nervous how old the Flames’ core will be. I’m guessing if the Flames sign Lindy for 8 * 8.5, the Flames will probably accomplish nothing during the Lindholm, Kadri, Huberdeau, Weegar era. They aren’t good enough to compete now, and the team will go downhill as the core continues to age.

I guess I should say that I think regular season success without playoff success is worthless.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Okay. I know the Flames believe they have a roster than can compete now. You have to have Lindy to do that. So, signing Lindy would be a positive towards the goal of competing now. I just hope it doesn’t go too much over 8 * 8.5, which I believe has been suggested by those who have sources in the organization.

It does make me feel nervous how old the Flames’ core will be. I’m guessing if the Flames sign Lindy for 8 * 8.5, the Flames will probably accomplish nothing during the Lindholm, Kadri, Huberdeau, Weegar era. They aren’t good enough to compete now, and the team will go downhill as the core continues to age.

I guess I should say that I think regular season success without playoff success is worthless.

This is a far from certain statement.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Okay. I know the Flames believe they have a roster than can compete now. You have to have Lindy to do that. So, signing Lindy would be a positive towards the goal of competing now. I just hope it doesn’t go too much over 8 * 8.5, which I believe has been suggested by those who have sources in the organization.

It does make me feel nervous how old the Flames’ core will be. I’m guessing if the Flames sign Lindy for 8 * 8.5, the Flames will probably accomplish nothing during the Lindholm, Kadri, Huberdeau, Weegar era. They aren’t good enough to compete now, and the team will go downhill as the core continues to age.

I guess I should say that I think regular season success without playoff success is worthless.

Just because there has not been an NHL team that has had success with a core in their 30’s does not mean the Flames cannot be the first to accomplish it. Worst case scenario is they meander around mediocrity from 24-26 and then suck from 27-30 and then hit the 2030’s running.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Just because there has not been an NHL team that has had success with a core in their 30’s does not mean the Flames cannot be the first to accomplish it. Worst case scenario is they meander around mediocrity from 24-26 and then suck from 27-30 and then hit the 2030’s running.

The team that just won the cup has a core that is mostly in their 30's.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Just because there has not been an NHL team that has had success with a core in their 30’s does not mean the Flames cannot be the first to accomplish it...

LOL. Vegas just did it with a core that is comparable to Calgary's in age.


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[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

LOL. Vegas just did it with a core that is comparable to Calgary's in age.


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Waiting for the goalposts to be moved.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Just because there has not been an NHL team that has had success with a core in their 30’s does not mean the Flames cannot be the first to accomplish it. Worst case scenario is they meander around mediocrity from 24-26 and then suck from 27-30 and then hit the 2030’s running.

A couple beat me to it, but good lord man. Vegas is t the only one either. Depending on how you want to determine ‘core’ Washington had a number of their guys over 30 too.

Although they didn’t win, Boston this past year could have also won the cup. Many were predicting it.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Waiting for the goalposts to be moved.

Here’s your goalpost move. I don’t believe the Flames are good enough, and I think they will get worse with time. I never said a team with a core in its 30s couldn’t win. That team just has to be good enough. I will be thrilled to be wrong.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

The team that just won the cup has a core that is mostly in their 30's.

Mostly in their 30's is a stretch

Eichel, Karlsson, both goalies, Theodore, Stephenson all below 30, plus Barbashev who was a top 5 scorer in the play-offs for them not sure he is core though.

Stone, Pietrangelo, Marchessault, Martinez (core?), Smith (core?) over 30.

So at best it looks like a 50/50 split depending on who you figure is core and how deep down the roster you go. But even with the shallowest view I think it is fair to say 50/50 with Eichel, Thompson/Hill, Theordore vs. Stone, Marcehssault, Pietrangelo.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by TOfan

A couple beat me to it, but good lord man. Vegas is t the only one either. Depending on how you want to determine ‘core’ Washington had a number of their guys over 30 too.

Although they didn’t win, Boston this past year could have also won the cup. Many were predicting it.

When Washington won their Cup Ovechkin was 31, Oshie was 30. Holtby, Carlsson, Backstrom, Eller, Wilson, Orlov all under 30.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Waiting for the goalposts to be moved.

They had 3 forwards that were 31,31, and 30 respectively, oldest forwards on the team that played in the final 3 rounds of the playoffs. The rest of their forwards were in their 20’s. But hope springs eternal that the Flames can do it with a core group of forwards that is currently 33, 30, 29. Has to be this year or next. Fingers crossed.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

A couple beat me to it, but good lord man. Vegas is t the only one either. Depending on how you want to determine ‘core’ Washington had a number of their guys over 30 too.

Although they didn’t win, Boston this past year could have also won the cup. Many were predicting it.

Washington had two players 30 or older that were in their top 9 forwards, top 4 dmen or starting goalie (14% of what could be considered their core) But I will concede if the Flames get the greatest goal scorer of all time they could get a Cup before experiencing a steep decline. Flames will have 7 out of those 14 positions being filled by guys 30 or older this year.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Washington had two players 30 or older that were in their top 9 forwards, top 4 dmen or starting goalie (14% of what could be considered their core) But I will concede if the Flames get the greatest goal scorer of all time they could get a Cup before experiencing a steep decline. Flames will have 7 out of those 14 positions being filled by guys 30 or older this year.

Tanev and Backlund May start the year with the Flames but I would say it’s more likely than not they don’t finish the year with the Flames. Even if they do play out the year I think it’s even more likely they aren’t back next year.

The picture you’re trying to paint isn’t as gloomy as you might want to portray. Also worth mentioning that the Flames look to be starting the season with three rookies (Coronato, Duhr, Pelletier) and Wolf could be a fourth. I have to think that’s in the upper third of the league. Zary and Piorier also have outside shots of getting a look this year based on what has been said by some media close to the team.

You can single out four players and catastrophize it all you want but it doesn’t paint the full picture. Nor is it the assured outcome of mediocrity you’re espousing.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

LOL. Vegas just did it with a core that is comparable to Calgary's in age.


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Good for them. Doesn’t mean it’s a recipe anyone should be following.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

LOL. Vegas just did it with a core that is comparable to Calgary's in age.


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Originally Posted by flamesgod

The team that just won the cup has a core that is mostly in their 30's.

We've got to stop using Vegas as a benchmark. We don't have a Jack Eichel or a Marchessault. We also don't have a Pietrangelo or a Theodore... and we certainly don't have a Mark Stone to sit out the whole season and come back for Game 1 of the playoffs when the salary cap no longer counts.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by TOfan

A couple beat me to it, but good lord man. Vegas is t the only one either. Depending on how you want to determine ‘core’ Washington had a number of their guys over 30 too.

Although they didn’t win, Boston this past year could have also won the cup. Many were predicting it.

These are franchises with elite talent that have actually won something. It is awfully convenient to lump the Flames in with these groups to justify hanging on to an aging core. It is but one variable we are similar to these teams. That’s it.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

We've got to stop using Vegas as a benchmark. We don't have a Jack Eichel or a Marchessault. We also don't have a Pietrangelo or a Theodore... and we certainly don't have a Mark Stone to sit out the whole season and come back for Game 1 of the playoffs when the salary cap no longer counts.

Or, you know, Vegas the actual market? The one that might be the most attractive to free agents in the league?