Bill Peters named head coach of Lethbridge Hurricanes

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

Having a coach that called you a n**ger and demeaned you in front of your teammates couldn't suck the ambition and drive you had to be successful?

If he was really a star and had more talent that shouldn't have mattered?

What if that was your kid? That's the advice you'd give them? "Well it shouldn't matter as long as you're good at hockey, that'll show them".

First of all...what? It wouldnt be yours? If one person treats you like crap its okay to flush your career down the toilet and just be bitter at them forever? Like...Aliu's not lighting it up in Europe or the AHL or the KHL...places where Peters has no influence.

Bill Peters might be a racist prick, but I hate to be the bearer of bad news...some people suck.

Nobody can let one guy sewer their entire career because they're a big racist.

Thats when you put on a show so dazzling that everyone thinks Peters is an idiot for doubting you.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by Locke

First of all...what? It wouldnt be yours? If one person treats you like crap its okay to flush your career down the toilet and just be bitter at them forever? Like...Aliu's not lighting it up in Europe or the AHL or the KHL...places where Peters has no influence.

Bill Peters might be a racist prick, but I hate to be the bearer of bad news...some people suck.

Nobody can let one guy sewer their entire career because they're a big racist.

Thats when you put on a show so dazzling that everyone thinks Peters is an idiot for doubting you.

After his run ins with Peters he went from promising prospect to demoted to the echl. Then he worked his way up from that league into playing a few games in the NHL. Very few people will ever do that. But some people suck get over it?

It shouldn't matter if people with authority abuse you cause if you're really a star that should motivate you?

Wow.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

Having a coach that called you a n**ger and demeaned you in front of your teammates couldn't suck the ambition and drive you had to be successful?

If he was really a star and had more talent that shouldn't have mattered?

What if that was your kid? That's the advice you'd give them? "Well it shouldn't matter as long as you're good at hockey, that'll show them".

I mean he was a second round pick who never managed to put up significant points in the AHL on any team. He was an offensive player who didn't score points at a higher level. I guess I just happen to think that maybe he wasn't as good of a player as he thought he was and that is why he bounced around the minors a lot for a bunch of different organizations.

Don't get me wrong I am not supporting Peters in this situation and what he said was racist and has no place in the game.

I don't know what I would say if it was my kid. I mean I'm not raising a competitive hockey player. I guess I would tell him that he is going to encounter bad people in his life and that part of life is being able to identify them and to have the ability to carry on. Essentially in doing so make your entire existence a #### you #######.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I mean he was a second round pick who never managed to put up significant points in the AHL on any team. He was an offensive player who didn't score points at a higher level. I guess I just happen to think that maybe he wasn't as good of a player as he thought he was and that is why he bounced around the minors a lot for a bunch of different organizations.

Don't get me wrong I am not supporting Peters in this situation and what he said was racist and has no place in the game.

I don't know what I would say if it was my kid. I mean I'm not raising a competitive hockey player. I guess I would tell him that he is going to encounter bad people in his life and that part of life is being able to identify them and to have the ability to carry on. Essentially in doing so make your entire existence a #### you #######.

Same. I dont condone what he did at all. He did what he did and there should be consequences for that. By all accounts Bill Peters is a POS and I'm glad the Flames turfed him when they found that out even if it cost them money.

I just have a hard time believing that Bill Peters was singularly that responsible for the derelict condition of Aliu's entire career.

[Jimdon]

I guess I didn't understand the assignment. I thought we were talking about whether a guy who used his position of authority over a bunch of teenagers to be a racist bully should be given that position back again.
I didn't realize this was a discussion about whether his abuse affected people or not, or how other people felt the people he targeted should have dealt with it.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

After his run ins with Peters he went from promising prospect to demoted to the echl. Then he worked his way up from that league into playing a few games in the NHL. Very few people will ever do that. But some people suck get over it?

It shouldn't matter if people with authority abuse you cause if you're really a star that should motivate you?

Wow.

After his run in with Peters he was sent to another AHL team the next year where he has 9 points in 43 games and was then sent down to the ECHL again. I am not saying that Bill Peters didn't negatively impact his career but it seems like he was sent down to the ECHL by a number of different organizations with different coaches and general managers.

I guess it is impossible to say how things would have turned out differently

[Jimdon]

Hockey culture is its own thing. The akim incident happened, peters resigned but nothing ever happened. He hasn't even apologized, someone else had to try to apologize for him.The Blackhawks scandal came out and nothing happened. The hockey canada scandal came out and nothing has happened. There's no consequences for anyone's actions. The only thing people want to talk about is how good or bad a hockey player akim was.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

After his run in with Peters he was sent to another AHL team the next year where he has 9 points in 43 games and was then sent down to the ECHL again. I am not saying that Bill Peters didn't negatively impact his career but it seems like he was sent down to the ECHL by a number of different organizations with different coaches and general managers.

I guess it is impossible to say how things would have turned out differently

And that couldn't possibly be because of the trauma and abuse he experienced at the hands of Peters? If I was a betting man, I'd put money at that being the case. But at best I'd say you could just go with "we don't know".

But you keep wanting to go further into the knowing territory that Aliu just wasn't good enough despite experiencing racism and abuse at the hands of a coach in a position of power, lol.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by jayswin

And that couldn't possibly be because of the trauma and abuse he experienced at the hands of Peters? If I was a betting man, I'd put money at that being the case. But at best I'd say you could just go with "we don't know".

But you keep wanting to go further into the knowing territory that Aliu just wasn't good enough despite experiencing racism and abuse at the hands of a coach in a position of power, lol.

I guess that is a possibility. I just think that the AHL is an insanely high skill level and there are a lot of second round draft picks who bounce around in between the ECHL and the AHL. It isn't saying that he was a bad player just that the skill level in a developmental league is absolutely insanely high.

Racism likely played a part but I don't know if it was the predominant factor.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by jayswin

CP is a higher earning, aging, white message board for the most part. I take anything spoken here about minorities and low income citizens/issues with a grain of salt the size of Texas, lol.

And when those discussions take place here, I feel vindicated in how I take this place.

What does this mean?

Grains of salt are really small (people use them as analogies or similes for small things)

Texas is really big (people use it as an analogy or simile for large things)

So a really big small thing? Or a small big thing?

Just trying to understand the nature of the vindication. (Which is generally somewhat conclusive and less contradictory)

[FlamesAddiction]

I hate that this guy is forever tagged to the Flames organization.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I hate that this guy is forever tagged to the Flames organization.

They didn’t accomplish anything with him, if it’s any mild consolation

A pretty forgettable tenure (other than the obvious)

I never liked the hire, albeit for less controversial reasons

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

What does this mean?

Grains of salt are really small (people use them as analogies or similes for small things)

Texas is really big (people use it as an analogy or simile for large things)

So a really big small thing? Or a small big thing?

Just trying to understand the nature of the vindication. (Which is generally somewhat conclusive and less contradictory)

While I disagree strongly with what the poster said, you may not be understanding what the expression grain of salt means. Taking something with a grain of salt means you doubt its veracity. It has nothing to do with it being a “small thing”.

You can say you’re taking something with a “large” grain of salt which is therefore exaggerating your skepticism. You’re not taking about size in this context. The expression supposedly originated with grains of salt being a cure for a certain poison, so the threat could be taken less seriously with a grain of salt.

Or maybe you know this and are trying to be funny and just missed the mark.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

Hockey culture is its own thing. The akim incident happened, peters resigned but nothing ever happened. He hasn't even apologized, someone else had to try to apologize for him.The Blackhawks scandal came out and nothing happened. The hockey canada scandal came out and nothing has happened. There's no consequences for anyone's actions. The only thing people want to talk about is how good or bad a hockey player akim was.

He did finally apologize, but it was only 5 days ago.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I hate that this guy is forever tagged to the Flames organization.

We need to just start calling him "ex-Hurricanes coach Bill Peters."

[getbak]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

We need to just start calling him "ex-Hurricanes coach Bill Peters."

Also, current Hurricanes coach.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by getbak

Also, current Hurricanes coach.

lol oh yeah.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by Locke

First of all...what? It wouldnt be yours? If one person treats you like crap its okay to flush your career down the toilet and just be bitter at them forever? Like...Aliu's not lighting it up in Europe or the AHL or the KHL...places where Peters has no influence.

Bill Peters might be a racist prick, but I hate to be the bearer of bad news...some people suck.

Nobody can let one guy sewer their entire career because they're a big racist.

Thats when you put on a show so dazzling that everyone thinks Peters is an idiot for doubting you.

We can't say that it was "just one guy".

Just a couple years prior, his coach on the Spitfires (former NHLer, Moe Mantha) benched him for a few games after he had served his suspension for refusing to be hazed by Downie. Why would Aliu be benched after serving a suspension for a fight that he didn't even instigate?

The hockey world is insular. If Aliu was tagged as a "problem child" by members of that group, there's a lot more adversity that he would have encountered due to people's preconceived notions of him that we wouldn't have heard about.

Outsiders (e.g. a relatively poor, black kid like Aliu in a rich, white-dominated sport like hockey) always have to work twice as hard to get to the same spot as an insider, and that eventually wears on your psyche. Everyone handles it differently. Maybe Aliu makes the show as a fulltime NHLer if he has a little bit more support and coaching along the way.

[zunie75]

Originally Posted by jayswin

And that couldn't possibly be because of the trauma and abuse he experienced at the hands of Peters? If I was a betting man, I'd put money at that being the case. But at best I'd say you could just go with "we don't know".

But you keep wanting to go further into the knowing territory that Aliu just wasn't good enough despite experiencing racism and abuse at the hands of a coach in a position of power, lol.

Not to mention the fact that if a coach has a pure hate on for a player, and that player goes to the next stage of their career or a new team and that teams staff speaks to the players former coach about him, you can bet your bottom dollar that nothing positive came out of Peters mouth. That negative word of mouth and the hockey politics likely all coupled together to further hurt any progress Aliu could have made.

[Kipper_3434]

Weighing In here. Peter's did a racist thing that probably affected Aliu's career. That being said I doubt it ruined his career for 2 reasons. Firstly as a black man this was probably far from the most racist or hurtful thing to happen to Aliu. Secondly if the head coach/boss dislikes you for any reason it's going to be hard to make the team/ get the dream job.

What Peter's said was wrong no doubt, but the effects of his actions are somewhat exaggerated, if anything management needs to be punished for not responding when the incident was reported.