Official WWE/ECW/WCW/TNA talk, or whatever v2

[Ozy_Flame]

Jail is probably the best spot for her. She needs to be kept away from drugs/alcohol and given structure with strict monitoring.

[SuperMatt18]

Two major shows 1 week apart was always a bit foolish - and really the build for both events was terrible considering that. You needed to have some big hitting, high profile fueds to carry over from the All In to All Out...and they just never built that.

Tony Kahn get's too much credit for his booking IMO.

The talent and match quality is elite which carries they product, but the booking is just crap most of the time.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Two major shows 1 week apart was always a bit foolish - and really the build for both events was terrible considering that. You needed to have some big hitting, high profile fueds to carry over from the All In to All Out...and they just never built that.

Tony Kahn get's too much credit for his booking IMO.

The talent and match quality is elite which carries they product, but the booking is just crap most of the time.

Does he? I think even the most diehard of AEW fans would concede that the weakest part of the product is TK and his booking.

[Ozy_Flame]

It was rumored that recently, when CM Punk headed out on stage, TK was in the gorilla position, stood up, and started chanting "CM PUNK! CM PUNK!" like a kid meeting his hero. Now look at the chaos Punk is causing backstage with the Elite, Jack Perry, and others.

TK is very much proving what happens when you are a fan before you are a promoter.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Does he? I think even the most diehard of AEW fans would concede that the weakest part of the product is TK and his booking.

Yeah I think some fans concede that for sure.

Maybe I'm just thinking about Dave Meltzer who always seems to defend TK's booking.

[no_joke]

I found myself getting drawn in to AEW in the fall of 2021 during the conclusion of the Hangman- Elite- Dark Order story arc and the debut of Punk (boo) and Danielson. It seemed like AEW was unstoppable at the time. To me, that was their creative high and they really haven't come close to it since. I'm waiting for them to regain their form but as others have alluded, Tony cannot seem to get out of his own way.

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[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Jail is probably the best spot for her. She needs to be kept away from drugs/alcohol and given structure with strict monitoring.

I watched a interview with Dutch Mantell and agreed with every part of it. I have little sympathy for people that drink and drive and especially if someone gets killed for it.

I remember reading Tammy's autobiography, (Sue me I used to read Wrestling Biographies). And its a book that came across as written by someone that desparately avoided a lot of personal responsibility.

At the same time when you read or hear a lot of things about Tammy, I can't say that her time in wrestling was a good experience for her.

Yeah she made a ton of money and fame. But she was used and pretty much later in her career passed around the locker room. She was clearly in trouble and people like Paul Heyman used that, She was awful to Chris Candido who she claimed was the love of her life, and saw him die. She went into two away abusive relationships. She got permission to indulge in her drinking and drugs.

So yeah, going back to Dutch, as much as she needs to be punished, society needs to be protected from her because she wasn't going to stop (under the WWE wellness program they really tried to get her into treatment and she kept walking away), but she needs to be protected by herself.

Sunny is a cautionary tale that should be used on every young wrestler getting into the business.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe I'm just thinking about Dave Meltzer who always seems to defend TK's booking.

Dave has a hard time being overly critical about anything AEW related.

Part of that is I think he realizes how important it is for a healthy wrestling world to have a second major North American promotion, so he avoided burying it early.

The other part is a lot of his buddies and sources are now in AEW.

[CaptainCrunch]

Couple of things. Tony K needs to start acting like a boss and not a buddy. The best scenario. Fire both guys, fire Punk for being an idiot. Fire Perry for being a moron who thinks he knows it all. More then one vet was telling him that using real glass is a stupid idea, and it is. But he thinks he knows it all. The undertaker would have kicked the hell out of him, if he refused to listen. Or put a serious career cramp on Perry.


But at some point, Tony is going to have to push the nuclear button in terms of the control of his company. For crying out loud he's got a cast of what feels like hundreds that are sitting at home collecting playchecks which is very WCW like. Chop some of those guys too.



The booking is really poor. The build up to All in was really poor. While they got a huge crowd for it, a good build up would have made it special and built story lines for months. Instead it was basically an episode of Dynamite with a larger crowd, and at the next event it was sparsley populated.



There are too many voices yammering at Tony. Jericho is just awful, and his creativity shows why Vince was filtering him so hard. But having his buddies as EVP's and giving them what amounts to creative control hamstrings Tony.



He needs to seriously create another position above EVP's and below him that can act like a filter for Tony. Or enforce the stupid ideas rule that they enacted a month or two before. This can't be an active wrestler, it needs to be a serious talent manager with a short temper.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

There are too many voices yammering at Tony. Jericho is just awful, and his creativity shows why Vince was filtering him so hard. But having his buddies as EVP's and giving them what amounts to creative control hamstrings Tony.

He needs to seriously create another position above EVP's and below him that can act like a filter for Tony. Or enforce the stupid ideas rule that they enacted a month or two before. This can't be an active wrestler, it needs to be a serious talent manager with a short temper.

I actually think The Elite have been pretty good at checking themselves lately. The Callis/Omega stuff is one of the few storylines that's actually been booked well and has done a good job of establishing new stars in Take####a and Ospreay.

The BCC/Elite angle got a little long in the tooth, but I think the BCC are just getting stale in general.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah I don't think any of the booking issues can be placed on the Elite. They have actually booked themselves quite responsibly and I'd argue if anything Hangman and Omega should be bigger part of the singles division.

BCC has been an issue, Women's divisions, and really the whole card is booked pretty poorly at this point.

If anybody needs to be nerfed creatively at this point it's Moxley. His blood fued matches every week might be the worst part of the show.

[LIP MAN]

All In was likely the best PPV of the year, Forbidden Door always delivers although both seemed to be booked fast. A lot of you aren’t crediting the use of the MJF/Cole pairing to book end the show, and I don’t think there was a bad match that whole show. So some credit to TK is to be given here.

Also watched Smackdown from last night just to see why WWE is given a pass. Holy crap, has the bloodline angle been overbooked at this point. Some good storylines, but really tough when you have a product that’s not PG and allows more creativity. It really feels like more like dinner theatre; I guess that’s what some people like but the matches and TV product are really stale.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by LIP MAN

All In was likely the best PPV of the year, Forbidden Door always delivers although both seemed to be booked fast. A lot of you aren’t crediting the use of the MJF/Cole pairing to book end the show, and I don’t think there was a bad match that whole show. So some credit to TK is to be given here.

Also watched Smackdown from last night just to see why WWE is given a pass. Holy crap, has the bloodline angle been overbooked at this point. Some good storylines, but really tough when you have a product that’s not PG and allows more creativity. It really feels like more like dinner theatre; I guess that’s what some people like but the matches and TV product are really stale.

AEW matches generally deliver but the actual booking and story building is poor (and yeah WWE is no better)

The in ring talent AEW has is unparalleled for sure though, although I didn't love the Canadian Destroyer spam the other night.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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[CMPunk]

So....does anyone know a place that's hiring?

[rubecube]

Kudos to TK for finally growing a pair and acting like an adult. Sucks that Punk is so thin-skinned.

[d_phaneuf]

Punk royal rumble rumors are gonna be wild

[mile]

Survivor Series is in Chicago this year…

[SuperMatt18]

Had to do it this time.

The first time there was enough blame between the Bucks and Punk that you didn't want to have to fire all of them, so you keep them all.

This time around sounds like both the verbal and physical confrontation was started by Punk, so easier to take action.

Really it's Punk's thin skin that started the whole downfall, the Hangman promo was nothing and he made a huge deal out of it.

In the end might be best for AEW as now their is no dark cloud hanging over half the roster all the time.

Kind of ironic it happens on a week with three straight shows in Chicago.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Had to do it this time.

The first time there was enough blame between the Bucks and Punk that you didn't want to have to fire all of them, so you keep them all.

This time around sounds like both the verbal and physical confrontation was started by Punk, so easier to take action.

Apparently it was all caught on camera, too. Think the only reason he didn't get terminated after Brawl Out was because there was enough reasonable doubt that TK would have had to pay him out. This time they were able to terminate him with cause.