Bill Peters named head coach of Lethbridge Hurricanes

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Just so we are clear, you aren't going to pass judgement on Peters but you are on Aliu.

Yes, my posting history will show that I am a white supremacist and Peters did nothing wrong.

Peters paid for his actions when he was racist toward Aliu. He was fired from a dream job of being an NHL head coach for those actions.

The discussion now is should Peters be eligible to coach at any level anymore. We don't know what he has or hasn't done in the 4 years since he was fired - so I won't make judgments on if he should be allowed to coach. There doesn't seem to be any other stories of him being racist at least.

We do know that Aliu has blamed Peters for him not becoming a regular NHLer - and, in my opinion, that is a huge reach. So I judge him for that part, I guess.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Yes, my posting history will show that I am a white supremacist and Peters did nothing wrong.

Peters paid for his actions when he was racist toward Aliu. He was fired from a dream job of being an NHL head coach for those actions.

The discussion now is should Peters be eligible to coach at any level anymore. We don't know what he has or hasn't done in the 4 years since he was fired - so I won't make judgments on if he should be allowed to coach. There doesn't seem to be any other stories of him being racist at least.

We do know that Aliu has blamed Peters for him not becoming a regular NHLer - and, in my opinion, that is a huge reach. So I judge him for that part, I guess.

What part is the reach? Writing a letter to management and getting him booted to the ECHL while he was leading the team in points, and doing this after hurling racial slurs at him.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Yes, my posting history will show that I am a white supremacist and Peters did nothing wrong.

Peters paid for his actions when he was racist toward Aliu. He was fired from a dream job of being an NHL head coach for those actions.

The discussion now is should Peters be eligible to coach at any level anymore. We don't know what he has or hasn't done in the 4 years since he was fired - so I won't make judgments on if he should be allowed to coach. There doesn't seem to be any other stories of him being racist at least.

We do know that Aliu has blamed Peters for him not becoming a regular NHLer - and, in my opinion, that is a huge reach. So I judge him for that part, I guess.

We can be pretty sure he hasn't directed any contrition towards Aliu until hours before he wanted to have an easier answer at a press conference.

But hey, I can get that a reasonable person might need some weeks/months to process things when actions from their past come back to blow up their lives. I can see how they might even feel resentful towards the person who brought those actions to light, and how they might rationalize that they felt there was no malice in their heart at the time.

But, a good human being would eventually recognize that their own feelings are actually irrelevant when it turns out they've harmed someone else. Who knows, maybe Peters simply didn't have that realization until this week and it's just a total coincidence.

[Weitz]

Heh, a buddy of mine has bill Peter’s old cell number and has gotten close to 50 congratulatory texts since the announcement.

/coolstorybro

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Heh, a buddy of mine has bill Peter’s old cell number and has gotten close to 50 congratulatory texts since the announcement.

/coolstorybro

any one good text him?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Sounds like many in the aging white hockey community are really pulling for Bill.

Am all for someone turning it around and redeeming past wrongs but I'm really not sure if he's got the lesson yet.

If he has and has adjusted his behaviour behind the scenes then great. But Akim (one of the direct victims of his behaviour) didn't feel like amends were made.

I guess we're treating these incidences as temporary suspensions from the game for PR's sake, and learning is optional. See Babcock and others..

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

We can be pretty sure he hasn't directed any contrition towards Aliu until hours before he wanted to have an easier answer at a press conference.

But hey, I can get that a reasonable person might need some weeks/months to process things when actions from their past come back to blow up their lives. I can see how they might even feel resentful towards the person who brought those actions to light, and how they might rationalize that they felt there was no malice in their heart at the time.

But, a good human being would eventually recognize that their own feelings are actually irrelevant when it turns out they've harmed someone else. Who knows, maybe Peters simply didn't have that realization until this week and it's just a total coincidence.

He went to sensitivity training as well lol.

When you need training on how not to be racist and a terrible person is something. Why would someone like that reach out himself and apologize.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Yes, my posting history will show that I am a white supremacist and Peters did nothing wrong.

Did I say anything of the sort?

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Peters paid for his actions when he was racist toward Aliu. He was fired from a dream job of being an NHL head coach for those actions.

Good.

Originally Posted by CroFlames

The discussion now is should Peters be eligible to coach at any level anymore. We don't know what he has or hasn't done in the 4 years since he was fired - so I won't make judgments on if he should be allowed to coach. There doesn't seem to be any other stories of him being racist at least.

We do know that Aliu has blamed Peters for him not becoming a regular NHLer - and, in my opinion, that is a huge reach. So I judge him for that part, I guess.

Glad you admit it. An odd mindset to give Peters the benefit of the doubt and not Aliu. But you do you.

[FanIn80]

My view is that Peters did things to Aliu that impacted Aliu's ability to have a successful career. Peters was allowed to resign from his job, wait a couple years and then complete a course before being allowed back into his profession and resume his career.

Where's the course Aliu gets to complete to get his career back? What about a course that turns back time and undoes the things Peters did to impact Aliu's career in the first place?

[Groot]

Statement from the WHL regarding the hiring of Bill Peters.

https://chl.ca/whl/whl-statement-reg...r-bill-peters/

“After a thorough review, speaking with representatives from Shades of Humanity, and receiving a commitment from Bill to continue on his path of anti-racism, self-growth and redemption, the WHL is satisfied Bill is ready to return to coaching in the WHL,” commented WHL Commissioner Ron Robison. “The journey towards individual and systemic equity learning should be viewed as an ongoing process. Bill has demonstrated that through this process and the WHL remains committed to systemic change through continued education.”

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Did I say anything of the sort?



Good.



Glad you admit it. An odd mindset to give Peters the benefit of the doubt and not Aliu. But you do you.

What do you even mean, not giving Aliu the benefit of the doubt?

Peters was racist toward him and paid the price by losing his NHL job. The WHL is now giving him another chance to coach. If he has remained a racist, he will get turfed from this job too. As he should. My argument is that we don't know if he is reformed or not but we'll soon find out after this appointment.

I'm not sure what you mean by giving Aliu the benefit of the doubt. What am I missing?

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

The whole calling Aliu entitled etc was a little odd.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

What do you even mean, not giving Aliu the benefit of the doubt?

Peters was racist toward him and paid the price by losing his NHL job. The WHL is now giving him another chance to coach. If he has remained a racist, he will get turfed from this job too. As he should. My argument is that we don't know if he is reformed or not but we'll soon find out after this appointment.

I'm not sure what you mean by giving Aliu the benefit of the doubt. What am I missing?

I think it's that you're quick to judge Aliu (must be blaming him for his lack of success) versus Peters who you're waiting and seeing about (which is fine if you gave Aliu similar rope but you didn't), when Peters had an actual review/investigation launched into the allegations where people were interviewed and it was determined by a third party that surely would've preferred that he continue in his position that there was enough evidence to deem him unfit to continue in that position coaching players.

[PuckSlap]

Akim Aliu screwed Akim Aliu



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[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Akim Aliu screwed Akim Aliu



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Here we go

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by sch19lks

Here we go

Indeed.

Here we go

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[mennoknight]

ah yes, the exact kind of nuanced debate I love to come to this place for

[btimbit]

I've been critical of Aliu is the past as well for some of his antics but the thing is, it really doesn't matter here. He was a bit of a problem child but given some of the #### he's dealt with, it's not hard to see why. I give him all the credit in the world for the HDA and of course for fighting that pos Steve Downie.

Nothing else really matters in this situation. Even if the Peters incident was involving a complete scumbag like Evander Kane it's still no excuse to be racist.

Odd scenario for anyone to be blaming the victim

[81MC]

There’s a massive ####ing difference between getting so annoyed at hearing language you don’t like repeatedly that you fail to censor yourself when bitching about the lyrics in the song, and being racist.

Like, they’re totally different things.

Does anyone know what song was being played? Or maybe it was more than one? Or was this like some dude rocking Oddisee or Pharoahe Monche and Peter’s called it ‘###### ####’? Because I seriously remember Peters bitching about the use of the word in the song, which is way fuxking different.

[iggyloob12]

Bad look on the Hurricanes and the WHL. Such a lame statement from the league when Peters hasn't come close to making amends. If he'd grown as a person, he'd have apologized years ago. Apologizing just because he has a new job on the line is pathetic. Peters does not deserve the benefit of the doubt, but someone in the old boys' club took him in.