getting a little tired of the crack/meth heads

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Let me correct you. There's nothing wrong with horses.

It's equestrian people.

No, it's the horses, unless you think it's people #### getting flung in my face that horses leave, well, everywhere.


OK, the people too...about a decade ago the Bragg Creek cycle club had spent a load of time creating a bike trail on the Telephone loop that bypassed the mangled swamp that horses had made unrideable. So we were some of the first bikes on it, but not before a team of horses had absolutely ruined the soft trail they weren't even supposed to be on. We ended up walking almost the while thing because they had destroyed it so thoroughly. I talked to the trail builders after and they were pissed.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Sliver

The signs I ignore are the "no e-bike" signs. Go fk yourself. I'll ride my ebike where I please. I really like Cloudline Trail in Canmore. Probably a pretty easy one for some of you guys, but it's a good challenge for me, a relative noob. Apparently you aren't allowed ebikes on it or something, but I don't give a single crap about that. It's my bike. I'll ride it on bike trails. What's the problem?

I did a hiking trail that crossed over that one briefly. It looked like an awesome route to bike.

All the regulars there on wheels were respectful to me and piped up when going by and I them. I wouldn't give two ####s if they were on e-bikes all the same.

They do the same thing as bikes with a little added power to tackle slopes, so what.

I've always wondered which snob/s decide these restrictions. They clearly hate fun. Shouldn't these rules for community trails be community decisions?

[Muta]

What was once a thread about crack/meth heads has now evolved into discussion on hiking trails and e-bikes.

Can't a guy come in here and learn about street values of narcotics and which LRT platforms to visit - er, avoid - at night without you nature nerds ruining it for the rest of us?

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I did a hiking trail that crossed over that one briefly. It looked like an awesome route to bike.

All the regulars there on wheels were respectful to me and piped up when going by and I them. I wouldn't give two ####s if they were on e-bikes all the same.

They do the same thing as bikes with a little added power to tackle slopes, so what.

I've always wondered which snob/s decide these restrictions. They clearly hate fun. Shouldn't these rules for community trails be community decisions?

Does the weight and power of an e-bike cause more damage than a mountain bike on a trail? I’ve only been on an e-bike once on roads and paved paths, so don’t know much about them and what the reason for restricting them would be.

[Bill Bumface]

"e-bike" just means way too many things right now.

I don't think anyone is choked about the 70 year old still able to hit the trails because they have some mild pedal assist to get up the mountain.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The trails are built and maintained mostly by volunteers, so if they don't want the extra wear and tear on the trials, well, I think that's a choice they should have. Unless you are volunteering for trail repair days? It opens the trails up to a lot more users which wears them quicker. You say yourself you couldn't do it without one. As someone who has done a lot fo trial building in my younger days, it's a ####load of work for even short sections of trail, and repairs aren't always simple.

I think we are in for a pretty big reckoning at some point with e-bikes basically becoming motor bikes. The Legacy trail has become a total farce but it will take some big accidents before anything is done. As it usually does.

Nah, I disagree. They have no ownership rights for the trails. I mean, I understand feeling ownership over them since they put a bunch of work in, but they have to be realistic and acknowledge they don't actually own them anymore than I do. They can ask me not to ride them and I'll politely ignore them. An ebike does absolutely no harm to the trails.

Do I help maintain them? No, but that's because I don't have time. I don't even live there...but hopefully I'll have more time in a few years and then I'd gladly help.

You know, two weeks ago I brought my hedge trimmers out to my condo complex in Canmore and trimmed all the suckers off all the trees. I'm happy to pitch in when I want to see something improved. Filled an entire dumpster with clippings. Was easier than raising it with the board and cheaper than having everyone pay a landscaping company...it bothered me so I took care of it. I didn't then go swing my dick in everyone's face and claim some sort of superiority over the landscaping because I pitched in. I did it because I wanted to and I expect nothing in return. Bike trail maintenance volunteers need to adopt the same attitude.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

What are people's takes on the conservation passes and its enforcement?

How much of that money do you think actually gets put back into the provincial parks (compared to the national parks which we know gets put into park resources).

I miss public park land before this pig government.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Hey that's fair. Some people appreciate the man-made and urban environments more than others. I used to be that, but less so these days.

I'll take birds chirping, running water and trees creaking over car horns, tires on pavement, mufflers on a ####box, indistinct people noise and meth heads screaming at the clouds every day of the week.

I'll never relate to people who are energized by the latter but that's fine.

IMO experiencing a scenic place in person is a completely different thing than seeing a couple photos and reading about it. I find I experience most places i go to in a totally different way than I was expecting from my research. That's the beauty of it. Finding out what these places are like from your own subjective POV. Once in a while it's a disappointment (brutal weather, bad terrain), but far more often it's something special that you'll remember.

I'll scantly remember the umpteenth time I walked down the same street to the same place with the same kind of people and conversations. It all just blurs together when you look back on it. That's why going out into the wilderness to a new place and the unknown and surprise you get to uncover in doing something novel will in most cases win out for me. It's also a great environment to bond with people where you can be yourselves with no social pressures of an urban environment and conquer a mountain or trail in the process.

Totally understand my view is garbage on that one, being born and raised near Banff and mountains. Ya their big. Go to maui or the big island or some other cool landscape I love it. I want some weird animals and insects. If you don’t have lizards your hike sucks. I think I was 25 before I saw my first lizard, and don’t get me started on crabs. Our crappy flies and gophers and squirrels. Bears would actually be cool.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Bears in alberta are the furthest thing from hostile. That's because they're used to people and have categorized them as irrelevant hind leg-walking noise makers.

Bears in remote parts of Alaska or the northern tip of Vancouver Island are the ones they make movies about. And even then, there's cases like that one Alaskan guy who infamously hangs out with like a dozen Grizzlies in his backyard and they come and go without issue.

He walks among them with no fear and they don't challenge him probably because of that.

The dude from “Grizzly Man”? That didn’t end well for him.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Wormius

The dude from “Grizzly Man”? That didn’t end well for him.

No no.. not grizzly man. He was setting himself up for his demise anyways.

I'll see if I can dig up a video of the backyard bear guy.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Nah, I disagree. They have no ownership rights for the trails. I mean, I understand feeling ownership over them since they put a bunch of work in, but they have to be realistic and acknowledge they don't actually own them anymore than I do. They can ask me not to ride them and I'll politely ignore them. An ebike does absolutely no harm to the trails.

Do I help maintain them? No, but that's because I don't have time. I don't even live there...but hopefully I'll have more time in a few years and then I'd gladly help.

You know, two weeks ago I brought my hedge trimmers out to my condo complex in Canmore and trimmed all the suckers off all the trees. I'm happy to pitch in when I want to see something improved. Filled an entire dumpster with clippings. Was easier than raising it with the board and cheaper than having everyone pay a landscaping company...it bothered me so I took care of it. I didn't then go swing my dick in everyone's face and claim some sort of superiority over the landscaping because I pitched in. I did it because I wanted to and I expect nothing in return. Bike trail maintenance volunteers need to adopt the same attitude.

Sure, but is that much different than you not actually owning the lawn in front of your house (in the city easement) but you still put effort in to take care of it, and probably get pissed when dogs leave dead grass patches and feces you have to deal with?

If a group has decided they don't want a particular something on something they built with their time and money, would you not respect that? Like "huh, fair enough, I'll go ride over here" even if you think the exclusion is irrational? Have you looked into the reasons why they don't want e-bikes to see if they are actual rational reasons you hadn't considered? I know you have changed our mind on many topics around here when people explain the reasoning(and many you have not!) so just curious if you have looked into it. And I don't know all the logic for every trail, either. But I'd love to never see the throttle only ones again on the Legacy Trail.

[PepsiFree]

If I bought an e-bike one of the first things I would do is rip along the legacy trail.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If I bought an e-bike one of the first things I would do is rip along the legacy trail.

Ya, see that's the problem. That's what everybody does. It's ####ing chaos. And they have no idea how gears work. Yes, you have a motor, but no, it isn't capable of hauling your 300 lb ass up the S curve in high gear...and you just tipped over. That's cool, go ahead and sit there in the blind spot for 5 minutes while you catch your breath and leave your motorbike blocking the path....is a real thing I witnessed 2 days ago.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If I bought an e-bike one of the first things I would do is rip along the legacy trail.

The cross country/roller skiers are far worse than e-bikes on legacy. 8 foot poles skewering anyone that comes near them on the path.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Brendone

The cross country/roller skiers are far worse than e-bikes on legacy. 8 foot poles skewering anyone that comes near them on the path.

Ya, they can get the horse treatment too.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Sure, but is that much different than you not actually owning the lawn in front of your house (in the city easement) but you still put effort in to take care of it, and probably get pissed when dogs leave dead grass patches and feces you have to deal with?

If a group has decided they don't want a particular something on something they built with their time and money, would you not respect that? Like "huh, fair enough, I'll go ride over here" even if you think the exclusion is irrational? Have you looked into the reasons why they don't want e-bikes to see if they are actual rational reasons you hadn't considered? I know you have changed our mind on many topics around here when people explain the reasoning(and many you have not!) so just curious if you have looked into it. And I don't know all the logic for every trail, either. But I'd love to never see the throttle only ones again on the Legacy Trail.

I haven't looked into it. No clue on the rationale. I'm open to hearing it, but honestly, those trails just aren't over run at all. I usually run into a couple guys on my rides and that's it. There's really no opportunity to engage with anyone on this for me. And I actively try to not make friends in Canmore, so I don't have a social circle there where these things would come up. And pretty sure my friends in Calgary would smack me if I nattered on about my Canmore cabin woes, so I just kinda stfu about topics like that when I'm home.

I just don't like the people in the mountains for the most part. They're all so entitled and smug. Totally irks me.

I was camping with my friends on Tunnel mountain a few weeks ago. I bought the largest hammock in the world a couple years ago, and we always try to fit as many people as we can in it until it breaks, and then I fix it. Anyway, the kids brought it into the woods behind our site to set it up. I'm quite conscientious about not hurting nature (believe it or not) so have made giant straps to go around trees to hang the hammock without damaging the wood. Somebody a few sites over complained that we were drilling into trees (we weren't) and called the ranger. He came by, I showed him the trees and how we were being careful to not damage anything and just said he probably has a couple of Karens on his hands. Well, that part was fine, but then he lectured us on how the kids moved a fallen tree out of the way (it would have been under the hammock so they carried it 10' away). Nope, we're #######s because a mouse could have been living under that tree and we're not to disturb nature.

It's like, fk off to all these mountain freaks trying to gatekeep how we use nature. I'm allowed to move a fking log. I'm allowed to exist in the park. I don't need a ranger telling me not to move a piece of wood. I don't need a Karen saying I can't hang a hammock. I don't need a random guy telling me which trails I can ride and which ones I can't. It's like I cruise around literally leaving everyone alone. Why tf are so many people so hell bent on enforcing dumb made up rules all over the mountains? It's crazy. We play on a pin-prick sizes dot of the mountains and people are just way too protective and lame about their use. Let me have fun and quit bothering me is what I have to say to those people.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I just don't like the people in the mountains for the most part. They're all so entitled and smug. Totally irks me.

They probably feel the exact same way about you being there...

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Brendone

Sliver arriving at the trailhead

Close, don't forget the accessories.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Close, don't forget the accessories.

If this photo was taken in the Bonavista Nuclear Bunker it would be perfect

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Shouldn’t he be riding a rascal scooter?