I don’t mind safe supply but they should charge for drugs at a rate below street value. Also along with safe supply you need to offer treatment as per of every transaction. And you need to offer a path to less harmful opioids.
Part of the goal needs to be funnelling people into treatment otherwise you just let addicts live longer which is a noble goal in some respects but not a solution to the current epidemic.
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For me, “hard drugs” have always been the other side of a line where your possible outcomes are a splitting headache the morning after over indulging booze vs overdose and death, so I guess that does make me a drug Prohibitionist. I also stayed away from pot because I considered it a grey area between alcohol and hard drugs. Sort of that next step to rabbit hole I didn’t want to risk going down. I had lots of friends that would indulge in pot and never had an issue, and I don’t consider it a path to the dark side like I used to, but still can’t stand the smell, so not for me.
I have lots of sympathy for those who become addicts due to situations they don’t know how to cope with, and I believe in treatment, not safe supply. I’m all for more funding for treatment. The “I like to party hard” addict. Nope, you chose your path.
Forget overdosing and death. Worry about the whirlwind these things have on your mind and body. Like, cocaine isn’t bad because it can kill you per say, it’s bad because when life no longer brings you pleasure and the only way you feel good is by feeding your addiction, you tend to devolve a bit. NO addiction is good, by nature of the meaning. But like, most people won’t ruin their children’s lives, steal peoples ####, lose their house and their job or stab their friends over coffee or porn.
Drugs are dangerous because they’re so ####ing good. And we don’t really have much in the way, physiologically speaking, to counter with. And, it’s not as if no longer being an addict makes the addiction go away; simply seeing your old user friends, or smelling a cigarette or whatever causes similar patterns in your body to as if actually partook. So like, normalizing hard drugs really actually does make it more difficult for people in recovery to stay that way.
Drugs aren’t bad because they’re unhealthy for the user in that moment. They’re bad because they turn people into bad members of society with very little control over themselves at that point.
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I don’t mind safe supply but they should charge for drugs at a rate below street value. Also along with safe supply you need to offer treatment as per of every transaction. And you need to offer a path to less harmful opioids.
Part of the goal needs to be funnelling people into treatment otherwise you just let addicts live longer which is a noble goal in some respects but not a solution to the current epidemic.
But only a tiny fraction of addicts of this class of drug will voluntarily seek treatment. That’s the pitiless shoal upon which the harm reduction model has been dashed. The treatment channels set up by Oregon as part its initiative to decriminalize all hard drugs have a 1 per cent takeup rate.
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Of the 4,000 drug use citations issued in Oregon during the first two years of Measure 110, The Economist found, only 40 people called the hotline and were interested in treatment.
The opiates ravaging vulnerable populations today are not alcohol or cocaine or even heroin. They’re orders of magnitude more destructive and more addictive. Well-meaning care workers and harm reduction advocates imagine what they would if they were addicts, maybe calling on their own experiences with far less dangerous drugs. It’s impossible for them to put themselves in the shoes of today’s fentanyl and meth addicts, who are in absolute thrall to their addictions and who have zero desire to stop using.
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Why do you keep asking me questions then? For someone who doesn't value my answers you never manage to actually shut up.
I do find you and your answers interesting though, you're good to chat with. It's a simple conversation but entertaining either way.
I wasn’t asking you a question. I saw the line in someone else’s post and it seemed like a generic/corny anti-drug slogan with a similar sentiment to what a couple of other posters have said, so I used it to ask a general question.
Sorry for the confusion. If I was asking you specifically, I would’ve gone through the effort of clicking on the post and quoting it, but the whole try-hard/teenage edgelord act doesn’t really do it for me so I wasn’t particularly interested in that. I generally like your posts when you’re not doing that whole thing, but can do without when you are.
I wasn’t asking you a question. I saw the line in someone else’s post and it seemed like a generic/corny anti-drug slogan with a similar sentiment to what a couple of other posters have said, so I used it to ask a general question.
Sorry for the confusion. If I was asking you specifically, I would’ve gone through the effort of clicking on the post and quoting it, but the whole try-hard/teenage edgelord act doesn’t really do it for me so I wasn’t particularly interested in that. I generally like your posts when you’re not doing that whole thing, but can do without when you are.
I think both PepsiFree and PaperBagger'14 need to smoke a joint together and chill.
That actually sounds like a good time, but I've only got some good bud to smoke. His posts indicates he's more inclined to smoke fentanyl free heroin lol.
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But only a tiny fraction of addicts of this class of drug will voluntarily seek treatment. That’s the pitiless shoal upon which the harm reduction model has been dashed. The treatment channels set up by Oregon as part its initiative to decriminalize all hard drugs have a 1 per cent takeup rate.
Yeah, what Oregon and BC is doing isn't what Portugal is doing.
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Calgary Transit said in a post on X, the social media site formerly known as Twitter, that the Eighth Street LRT station has reopened after being temporarily closed for a police investigation.
Calgary Transit called EMS and the man was transported to hospital in life-threatening condition from what police said they believe was a stabbing.
Police said, using CCTV footage from the CTrain station, they were able to get a description of the suspect who was tracked through Century Gardens Park and arrested.
Cochrane, Alta., teenager Grace Urwin says she's "never taking public transit again" after being violently robbed in Calgary on Saturday.
"I have to save up all my money for a car," the 16-year-old said.
Urwin was riding the CTrain Saturday around 1:30 p.m., leaving from Tuscany Station, on her way to Market Mall with her friend.
Urwin says she went to look at the directory sign and that's when was physically attacked and bear-sprayed.
"They followed us over and pushed me against the sign, demanding I give them my shoes or I was going to get, quote-unquote, 'canned,' like bear-sprayed," she said.
"I just told them no and then they started wrestling me for my phone. They were punching me in the head and then they got my phone, ran off, and they sprayed me."
Urwin says she screamed out for help and awaited the assistance of paramedics and police.
"At the time, I was pretty scared," she said.
"I didn't know what they sprayed me with. I've never been sprayed with bear spray. It was just really scary to know that nobody around was going to do anything."
Police have charged a 17-year-old female and 17-year-old male with two counts of robbery each.
The male also faces a charge of possession of a weapon dangerous to the public.
The pair were tracked down around 8:15 p.m. after reports of two people deploying bear spray in a CTrain car at 323 7 Ave. S.E.
Neither can be named under the Youth Criminal Justice Act.
Cochrane, Alta., teenager Grace Urwin says she's "never taking public transit again" after being violently robbed in Calgary on Saturday.
"I have to save up all my money for a car," the 16-year-old said.
Urwin was riding the CTrain Saturday around 1:30 p.m., leaving from Tuscany Station, on her way to Market Mall with her friend.
Urwin says she went to look at the directory sign and that's when was physically attacked and bear-sprayed.
"They followed us over and pushed me against the sign, demanding I give them my shoes or I was going to get, quote-unquote, 'canned,' like bear-sprayed," she said.
"I just told them no and then they started wrestling me for my phone. They were punching me in the head and then they got my phone, ran off, and they sprayed me."
Urwin says she screamed out for help and awaited the assistance of paramedics and police.
"At the time, I was pretty scared," she said.
"I didn't know what they sprayed me with. I've never been sprayed with bear spray. It was just really scary to know that nobody around was going to do anything."
Police have charged a 17-year-old female and 17-year-old male with two counts of robbery each.
The male also faces a charge of possession of a weapon dangerous to the public.
The pair were tracked down around 8:15 p.m. after reports of two people deploying bear spray in a CTrain car at 323 7 Ave. S.E.
Neither can be named under the Youth Criminal Justice Act.
This doesn't really seem to be related to the drug addiction issue.
Teens attacking other teens has always been a thing unfortunately.
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Robbing and bear spraying has always been a thing?
It’s definitely a part of the overall transit safety that people have been raising concerns about.
I get what he's saying though, it's not like this is part of the crackhead problem. I was mugged at knifepoint on the C-train back in '07(ish) by some older teenagers, this seems more like that sort of thing
This thread and the SF travel thread are a bit weird that way as there are two posters that basically treat them as threads to post any vaguely related crimes.
I saw a group of teens bear spray someone at Sunridge Mall years ago. Didn’t have anything to do with homelessness or drug addiction. I don’t see any reason to believe this did either, or was relevant to the theme of those things impacting transit safety.
This thread and the SF travel thread are a bit weird that way as there are two posters that basically treat them as threads to post any vaguely related crimes.
I saw a group of teens bear spray someone at Sunridge Mall years ago. Didn’t have anything to do with homelessness or drug addiction. I don’t see any reason to believe this did either, or was relevant to the theme of those things impacting transit safety.
You see, crime didn't exist before the woke mind virus took over
Just like before gangster rap, Compton was a nature preserve for bunny rabbits
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Robbing and bear spraying has always been a thing?
It’s definitely a part of the overall transit safety that people have been raising concerns about.
Yes. I know several friends who were robbed and/or randomly physically attacked by gangs of other young people in our teens and early twenties. One was actually bear sprayed. Bear spray was a fairly common weapon in the late 90s, as anyone could buy it.
The c train specifically was always a slightly dangerous place to be as a young person late at night, for the specific reason that attacks by other young people could occur.
The c train specifically was always a slightly dangerous place to be as a young person late at night, for the specific reason that attacks by other young people could occur.
Or in the middle of the afternoon on a weekend, in this case.
But yes, this seems more like a case of s**t heads, than crack heads... and there has always been s**t heads.
