[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

He's not a weak top line center. He's an average top line center who played with 2nd line talent all of last season. Would be a very elite 2nd line center. Heck he was a top 15 RW in the league before switching to center. SMH.

His best year when he finished 22 and 33 points behind his linemates he was 11th in scoring amongst centers. So when he is at his best he is an average first line center and an elite second line center.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

His best year when he finished 22 and 33 points behind his linemates he was 11th in scoring amongst centers. So when he is at his best he is an average first line center and an elite second line center.

He also finished second in Selke voting that year.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Okay average top line center. To me that's weak if you're trying to win a Cup. Most elite teams dont have an average top line center. And you can't call him an elite 2nd line center if he can't drive a line with 2nd line talent as you just stated.

I dunno, man. Seems to me similar things were being said about ROR and Jack Eichel at one point or another.

‘Average / not a winner / not a true elite 1C /etc etc’

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by TOfan

He also finished second in Selke voting that year.

Oddly enough, that's probably because of his offensive boost that year. That's how those awards usually work.

[jayswin]

Yeah, all awards are basically offensive numbers based. It's annoying. Norris being the worst offender of the bunch.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I dunno, man. Seems to me similar things were being said about ROR and Jack Eichel at one point or another.

‘Average / not a winner / not a true elite 1C /etc etc’

Sorry no. Lindholm is good but was never close to the game changer Eichel is and he was never supposed to be. I see some parallels to ROR but I think ROR was such a success because he didn't have to be the teams best player...Lindholm has to be and he just isn't "the guy".

I'm still 100% in the trade him group.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Dallas Stars seem to have done both. I know that’s a hard model to emulate but it’s not impossible.

It’s a hard model to emulate, especially in Canada. The tax situation in Dallas makes it one of the more desirable markets in the NHL. Coupled with a home run, once in a decade draft that saved their bacon.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Sorry no. Lindholm is good but was never close to the game changer Eichel is and he was never supposed to be. I see some parallels to ROR but I think ROR was such a success because he didn't have to be the teams best player...Lindholm has to be and he just isn't "the guy".

I'm still 100% in the trade him group.

I’m not sorry to say, you’ve misunderstood the point.

Hackney is saying most elite teams don’t have average top line centres. What I said is at certain points in time people, especially on this forum, have said ROR and Echiel are just that.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

It’s a hard model to emulate, especially in Canada. The tax situation in Dallas makes it one of the more desirable markets in the NHL. Coupled with a home run, once in a decade draft that saved their bacon.

True. It was an unfortunate set of circumstances for the Flames. But then again if Fox does sign with the Flames, do they ever get their hands on Lindholm and Hanifin?

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

So close to a useful and positive post. Right up until the end.

The truth isn't always useful or positive. It just is.

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[Hackey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I dunno, man. Seems to me similar things were being said about ROR and Jack Eichel at one point or another.

‘Average / not a winner / not a true elite 1C /etc etc’

ROR maybe. But that's one player. The Blues were also an extreme outlier. Is that really how we're trying to build a team? Hope that we're the one outlier team of the last 50 years.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Chonger

The truth isn't always useful or positive. It just is.

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At least own that you couldn’t help but try to get a shot in. Hiding behind “the truth” is so corny. I doubt he has trouble handling reading his posts any more than you have trouble handling reading his. And that’s “the truth” lol

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yeah, all awards are basically offensive numbers based. It's annoying. Norris being the worst offender of the bunch.

Karlsson winning the Norris destroyed the award.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hackey

60-70 pts player right now. Weak top line center. Good second line center. Will be 29 when the season starts.

Pretty easy decision to trade him.

That is a short-sighted, and ridiculously simplistic point of view.

You want a rebuild (we know, and we get it), and any player decision that isn't geared to said rebuild, is a bad decision in your mind. It's singular, weak, and pointless, because it isn't going to happen.

Lindholm is a very good player, and is a middle of the road top line C (not a weak top line C). The idea, when building a team is to acquire MORE good players, not trade them all away for wishes and rainbows. You don't want that - we get it. But your incessant need to tell us, over and over, and to bend the facts to try and make your argument, is getting boring.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

... your incessant need to tell us, over and over, and to bend the facts to try and make your argument, is getting boring.

I disagree. Hackey has always been boring.


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[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That is a short-sighted, and ridiculously simplistic point of view.

You want a rebuild (we know, and we get it), and any player decision that isn't geared to said rebuild, is a bad decision in your mind. It's singular, weak, and pointless, because it isn't going to happen.

Lindholm is a very good player, and is a middle of the road top line C (not a weak top line C). The idea, when building a team is to acquire MORE good players, not trade them all away for wishes and rainbows. You don't want that - we get it. But your incessant need to tell us, over and over, and to bend the facts to try and make your argument, is getting boring.

This is less about Lindholm than the cap structure of the team. Tre might be gone, but his stupid decisions are still here for a long time. You want to build it so that it's competitive when it's actually built. Also you need cap flexibility to build, and keep your players when they are still good and getting better AND the team is getting better. Not lock it away for a decade on players who aren't THAT great and will get further and further away from being great(along with the team, since those are locked in as the top guys). Then end up trading away futures whether you want keep the senior citizens or get rid of them.

I actually think Lindholm would be perfect as the old guy(like Pavelski hopefully), but that role is already OVERfilled with Huberdeau and Kadri. But what the hell its only a decade.

[Redrum]

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[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I dunno, man. Seems to me similar things were being said about ROR and Jack Eichel at one point or another.

‘Average / not a winner / not a true elite 1C /etc etc’

The people who said that about Eichel (Dino) are rightfully mocked now.
Just because a few fools out of thousands of CP members said that; has literally nothing to do with what Lindholm is or isn't.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That is a short-sighted, and ridiculously simplistic point of view.

You want a rebuild (we know, and we get it), and any player decision that isn't geared to said rebuild, is a bad decision in your mind. It's singular, weak, and pointless, because it isn't going to happen.

Lindholm is a very good player, and is a middle of the road top line C (not a weak top line C). The idea, when building a team is to acquire MORE good players, not trade them all away for wishes and rainbows. You don't want that - we get it. But your incessant need to tell us, over and over, and to bend the facts to try and make your argument, is getting boring.

Lindholm isn't even in the top 20 centers now. I can only imagine when he's still here at 38 years old. Huberdeau, Lindholm, Kadri can be the oldest most expensive line in the league.

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by Redrum

dp

Link?

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