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[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I still can't wrap my head around the phenomenon in the US where they worship Donald effing Trump of all people.

Reagan? Makes sense. Eisenhower? OK. Even Dubya did some of those amusing bits like watch me crush this drive.

But Trump? He's physically revolting, and is actually a criminal that endagered the USA, yet they worship him. Bottles the mind.

Uneducated old white rural voters who carry outsized voting power? Sure.

The largest city in the US Trump won was Colorado Springs (Pop >500k). Like most of the others he carried, it has a large military presence.

The only reason it's remotely close is the electoral college. Saying that most of the US supports that dickhead is dead wrong.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I still can't wrap my head around the phenomenon in the US where they worship Donald effing Trump of all people.

Reagan? Makes sense. Eisenhower? OK. Even Dubya did some of those amusing bits like watch me crush this drive.

But Trump? He's physically revolting, and is actually a criminal that endagered the USA, yet they worship him. Bottles the mind.

It's especially odd since he should embody everything that most of his supporters dislike. A New York millionaire (billionaire?) born into money, never had a laborious job in his life, appoints family members to key positions, makes money from sourced out labor and materials overseas, etc... Somehow he convinced rural southerners that he represents them. It's ridiculous.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's especially odd since he should embody everything that most of his supporters dislike. A New York millionaire (billionaire?) born into money, never had a laborious job in his life, appoints family members to key positions, makes money from source out labor and materials overseas, etc... Somehow he convinced rural southerner that he represents them. It's ridiculous.

They don't vote for him because they are rational and well educated.

Evangelical? Sure.

Angry? A lot of the time.

Brainwashed by right-wing media that's proven over and over to be factually inacurrate. Yeah, especially if they are over 65.

But not as a thoughtful or well informed choice.

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

The moment Roe v Wade was overturned it was over for the GOP this election cycle.

Young women have a very personal reason to vote now. The mid-terms and special elections bear this out in a huge way, even in red states.

Yup agreed... I just look at Ohio and wonder if Republicans even realize what's coming.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I still can't wrap my head around the phenomenon in the US where they worship Donald effing Trump of all people.

Reagan? Makes sense. Eisenhower? OK. Even Dubya did some of those amusing bits like watch me crush this drive.

But Trump? He's physically revolting, and is actually a criminal that endagered the USA, yet they worship him. Bottles the mind.

If we had a way to reanimate corpses I'd be 100% down for a another round of Dwight.

[dissentowner]

We all know that when Trump loses he is going to call rigged election again and let the civil war begin.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We all know that when Trump loses he is going to call rigged election again and let the civil war begin.

No, no one credible believes that this is a likely outcome.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No, no one credible believes that this is a likely outcome.

It would be kind of cool to see. It's a 3rd world kyithole country anyways. Entertain us! ...

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's especially odd since he should embody everything that most of his supporters dislike. A New York millionaire (billionaire?) born into money, never had a laborious job in his life, appoints family members to key positions, makes money from sourced out labor and materials overseas, etc... Somehow he convinced rural southerners that he represents them. It's ridiculous.

But he did something that no other modern US politician ever could, he was openly racist and bigoted to the groups of people his supporters hated. When he called Mexican immigrants criminals and rapists, ever political pundit assumed that was it for his first campaign. Instead his support swelled and people loved him for "telling it like it is". Then he launched the "Make America Great Again" slogan, which was just code for Make America White Again and the cult had their slogan and party hats. They'll never turn on him, because he make it ok for them to wear their bigotry openly, instead of hiding it away

[photon]

I wonder.. are the MAGA part of the Republican party the actual majority of conservatives in the US? Or was it a case of Trump attracting a bunch of new Republican voters and a bunch of more traditional Republicans just got turned off and aren't voting now (or are making up some of the bunch that voted against Trump for president but voted R locally or didn't vote at all locally)?

Like if Romney somehow became the nominee would all the MAGA wing stay home but the election still be pretty close as more traditional Republicans come out to vote?

[timun]

At this point the Republicans are all-in on the MAGA cult, and the moderates left in the party care more about being in power than they do about governing responsibly. I don't think it's a scenario even worth pondering, because I don't think it's possible for someone like Mitt Romney to get the party nomination for president anymore anyway.

None of us can accurately predict what craziness the MAGA cult will believe in next, so I wouldn't put it past Trump to run as a third candidate in the presidential election if someone other than Trump got the Republican nom. Or they'd just reject the results of the Republican primaries entirely and claim it's a plot by the George Soros-led Jewish space lizard cabal that rules the world to keep whatever anointed MAGA cult nutbar is the preferred nominee du jour out of the election. Or whatever.


I think the only plausible scenario in which Donald J. Trump isn't the Republican candidate next year is if he croaks.

[CliffFletcher]

Trump’s personal qualities don’t enter into it. His appeal is that he infuriates the people who his supporters hate and fear. It’s trolling as political movement.

[GirlySports]

The "tell is like it is" is the biggest appeal.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

The "tell is like it is" is the biggest appeal.

That too. Not being afraid to say out loud the things a lot of people only think or say in private.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

The "tell is like it is" is the biggest appeal.

But given he lies continually he doesn’t really tell it like it is. It’s the tell me what I believe.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GGG

But given he lies continually he doesn’t really tell it like it is. It’s the tell me what I believe.

It's more a confirmation.

Say you're a conservative and you think network news is biased. NBC, ABC,CBS etc...

But no one in politics will call them out, they just go with the flow, Republicans and Democrats are on the same team anyways, Washington Elites etc... then someone like Trump comes along and is bold enough to call them "Fake News" to their faces. People like that regardless of whether it's true or not.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We all know that when Trump loses he is going to call rigged election again and let the civil war begin.

I'm really curious about who is going to fight in this civil war?

Like, sure a bunch of rural Texas militias might actually get in their pickups. But are they going to drive to California? Or just head to the nearest blue city like Dallas to start shooting? Where the SWAT team will be happy to deploy and have a good reason to finally use their armored cars and machine guns. Oh I grant you, the boys in blue probably lean firmly towards Trump, and even somewhat into white supremacy, but I guarantee when the armed MAGA numbnuts show up, they're not going to be tossing their badges and switching sides.

January 6th was as close as you're ever going to get to an armed insurrection. It ended the same day, was approached by the authorities as a criminal matter, and ever since the cases have moved through the courts, and individuals into jail. Handled (after the fact) bascially exactly as it should have been.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No, no one credible believes that this is a likely outcome.

Which part, him calling the election rigged or a civil war? This is not going to be like an ancient civil war, it will be a bunch of insurrection. If you don't think if he loses he will claim it was rigged again I think you are alone on that island.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No, no one credible believes that this is a likely outcome.

Well, a couple posts up they just talked about how Colorado Springs with a large military contingent is pro-Trump.

Trump is not going away easy if he wins the election. Particularly if he has the armed forces behind him. And then yea- I can see a conflict only insofar as people trying to get their country back.

Furthermore- your comment is the quintessential head in the sand nothing will change BS. I feel like last round you were the guy saying nothing will happen there will be a peaceful transfer of power and then there was a Jan 6 coup. To be completely honest anybody saying there’s nothing to worry about is just straight up lying or not thinking this through fully. With Trump, anything is possible in the USA. Personally I think this will be the most important election in the country’s history and Americans should be extremely worried.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by photon

I wonder.. are the MAGA part of the Republican party the actual majority of conservatives in the US? Or was it a case of Trump attracting a bunch of new Republican voters and a bunch of more traditional Republicans just got turned off and aren't voting now (or are making up some of the bunch that voted against Trump for president but voted R locally or didn't vote at all locally)?

Like if Romney somehow became the nominee would all the MAGA wing stay home but the election still be pretty close as more traditional Republicans come out to vote?

They are the majority of the Republicans for sure, and that's why any Republican who goes against them can get ousted or primaried.

He did deliver a conservative Supreme court so a lot of Replubicans can justify supporting him as a useful idiot, or as some evangical christians like to say "God needs to send down someone in devil's clothing to do the dirty work and get things done".

There is a swath of Republicans in Virginia/NC/Georgia that are more urban/suburban Republicans who are looking for a path to be an anti-Trump Republican since MAGA doesn't play well state wide in their purpleish states, but it's a tough needle to thread.