2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

OK what's your solution then. Unless you are advocating to re-sign Lindholm?

I think if youvtrade lindy it's a rebuild period. I can't see any other way around it. I think the team will sign him even though that's not my preference.

At this point we are in a Lose lose situation

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Royle9

The rumoured/speculative SJS offer of Eklund is far and away the best offer imo.
Eklund is Lindholm light at this point, playing wing and C but solid both ends of the ice and only 20.

If that deal was actually on the table and Lindholm wasn't re-signing I would be on board. Couture can stop gap in the meantime. I do believe Lindholm will get done before training camp though.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Royle9

The rumoured/speculative SJS offer of Eklund is far and away the best offer imo.
Eklund is Lindholm light at this point, playing wing and C but solid both ends of the ice and only 20.

I'm a little disappointed that this deal wasn't accepted at the draft, if in fact it was offered. If I recall correctly it was Couture and Eklund for Lindholm and Vladar.

Couture is old and his contract is not great but he's still serviceable. I'd go so far as to say he is still easily a top 6 center. If your goal is to contend, Couture and Kadri up the middle is not bad.

The prize obviously is Eklund, who I honestly think will develop into a star in the league. I highly doubt we get a prospect anything close in value if/when we eventually do trade Lindy.

And Vladar being in the deal is meh. It frees up both a spot for Wolf and clears 2.2M in cap.

I was surprised that the rumour was viewed negatively. I would have taken it and I don't think we'll get anything better.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think he maxes out as a third liner centre

Fair. I think Sillinger and Krebs would give two shots at a #2 center. I hope I’m wrong but I don’t see much beyond that level of prospect being offered for Lindholm or Hanifin.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Fair. I think Sillinger and Krebs would give two shots at a #2 center. I hope I’m wrong but I don’t see much beyond that level of prospect being offered for Lindholm or Hanifin.

Oh that point I agree.
I think people are naïve to think you are going to get a high certainty young #1 centre back. So I agree with your approach to give yourself a couple cracks.

[Enoch Root]

these proposals are why signing Lindholm is the better option.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Desbrusk+Lysell+1st.

D-O-N-E.

This to me is a horrendous return. A pending UFA, a prospect who wouldn’t crack our own 21st ranked organizations top 5 for prospects and a 1st that is 2-3 years out. That doesn’t get a team a 28 year old top line 2 way center with the last year of his deal under $5M

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This to me is a horrendous return. A pending UFA, a prospect who wouldn’t crack our own 21st ranked organizations top 5 for prospects and a 1st that is 2-3 years out. That doesn’t get a team a 28 year old top line 2 way center with the last year of his deal under $5M

Again I think some expectations are out of whack

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Again I think some expectations are out of whack

Lowering expectations is no way to run your organization. If the returns aren't there, you focus on signing him. Even if they can't, I would rather have him for a year, and try to be competitive, and then gain the ca space, than trade him for a middling return that does little for the team, short or long term

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Lowering expectations is no way to run your organization. If the returns aren't there, you focus on signing him. Even if they can't, I would rather have him for a year, and try to be competitive, and then gain the ca space, than trade him for a middling return that does little for the team, short or long term

Walking another high value UFA to free agency would be the worst case scenario. Sign or trade. You won’t get a player like Lindholm as an UFA in Calgary.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Lowering expectations is no way to run your organization. If the returns aren't there, you focus on signing him. Even if they can't, I would rather have him for a year, and try to be competitive, and then gain the ca space, than trade him for a middling return that does little for the team, short or long term

You are the one lowering expectations for how the organization is run.

Why is cap space important when you don't have young top end players to take on those available cap dollars?

You're that eager to run out and get our next James Neal and Blake Coleman? Those are the foundational players you want to spend money on and build your team on?

No. Get the assets you can. Drop the idea that this mediocre team has players that are worth the moon. If they were worth the moon, the team wouldn't be mediocre. If Elias isn't willing to sign a market rate/above market rate contract in Calgary, they should trade him (I actually think they should trade him ahead of re-signing him).

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Lowering expectations is no way to run your organization. If the returns aren't there, you focus on signing him. Even if they can't, I would rather have him for a year, and try to be competitive, and then gain the ca space, than trade him for a middling return that does little for the team, short or long term

What type of return are you expecting?

[Jiri Hrdina]

The Horvat deal is a blueprint for what the Flames should get for Lindholm

Traded from Vancouver Canucks to New York Islanders for Aatu Raty, Anthony Beauvillier and round 1 pick in the 2023 draft (Axel Sandin-Pellika)

What we are talking about here from the Bruins is almost identical.
Lysell>Raty
DeBrusk=Beauvillier

Obviously where the pick lands is the variable, but the Bs could be taking a step back without Bergeron and Krejci. And other key guys one year older.

Why do we think the Flames would get more than that?

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The Horvat deal is a blueprint for what the Flames should get for Lindholm

Traded from Vancouver Canucks to New York Islanders for Aatu Raty, Anthony Beauvillier and round 1 pick in the 2023 draft (Axel Sandin-Pellika)

What we are talking about here from the Bruins is almost identical.
Lysell>Raty
DeBrusk=Beauvillier

Obviously where the pick lands is the variable, but the Bs could be taking a step back without Bergeron and Krejci. And other key guys one year older.

Why do we think the Flames would get more than that?

Vancouver didn't have to wait 2 years to make that pick.

I'd also argue that Lindholm is a superior player.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Vancouver didn't have to wait 2 years to make that pick.

I'd also argue that Lindholm is a superior player.

I don't think the stats back that argument. They are comparable.

I don't mind waiting a bit for the Bruins pick if it hits when they are more likely to be bottoming out.

Play the long game.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think the stats back that argument. They are comparable.

I don't mind waiting a bit for the Bruins pick if it hits when they are more likely to be bottoming out.

Play the long game.

One player is a career + 29 who is a Selke candidate
The other is a career - 69

I know that's not a stat a lot like but rarely is a top 200ft player thar deep in the negative

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yeah really don't care about plus/minus.
One can debate which one is better, but they are in the same ballpark overall.

Again, what type of return do you think the Flames should get for Lindholm, and should past trades where that type of return is comparable.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah really don't care about plus/minus.
One can debate which one is better, but they are in the same ballpark overall.

Again, what type of return do you think the Flames should get for Lindholm, and should past trades where that type of return is comparable.

1st, high end prospect and a roster player that isn't a cap dump

[Jiri Hrdina]

OK and what are previous comparable deals for a guy like Elias?
That are materially better than the proposed Bruins deal.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah really don't care about plus/minus.
One can debate which one is better, but they are in the same ballpark overall.

Again, what type of return do you think the Flames should get for Lindholm, and should past trades where that type of return is comparable.

I like the way the athletic compares the two. Definitely similar, but I still think Lindholm is worth more