Russia invades Ukraine

[blankall]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I still can't wrap my head around how we got to a place where the American right wing is now pro-Russia.

Bi-partisan politics is totally baffling. At the end of the day, most partisans don't believe in anything. They have no morals, principles or ideologies. They just want their side to win. It's extremely easy to come up with mental gymnastics to convince yourself that supporting X cause means support for the left or the right.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by blankall

Bi-partisan politics is totally baffling. At the end of the day, most partisans don't believe in anything. They have no morals, principles or ideologies. They just want their side to win. It's extremely easy to come up with mental gymnastics to convince yourself that supporting X cause means support for the left or the right.

That's where the US totally loses me. "Just go ahead and register with the government which political party you support" has to be the most baffling feature of a democracy I've ever heard. It also "locks" people into a team. I can't even imagine the value of doing that.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Perfect then I guess we should just close the thread and prohibit discussion.

Ya know what country hates open discussion and imprisons critics...

...


I'll wait.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That's where the US totally loses me. "Just go ahead and register with the government which political party you support" has to be the most baffling feature of a democracy I've ever heard. It also "locks" people into a team. I can't even imagine the value of doing that.

It is weird. I think part of it is that if they are registered with a party, they they can be involved in deciding who runs, and that sort of thing. By being a party member, they get some say in the process. Not like in Canada, where being a party member doesn't really do anything for you, other than just getting email spam and requests for donations. Although I am sure that happens in the States too.

[Snuffleupagus]

I'm beginning to think Yoho is just a bot, there's no way a human being could post such rubbish.

[Firebot]

Biden / the US telling US citizens to leave Belarus immediately and so strongly is an extremely worrying announcement. US intelligence has been extremely solid when it comes to imminent crisis, including the invasion of Ukraine.

I think there may be a major imminent event, and I don't think it will be Belarus invading Ukraine directly, but something worse.

Here is the original announcement for Russia (the US had expected the war to start within days, but Russia delayed at the request of China due to the olympics)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60342814

For context these are the current level 4 warnings and all pretty self explanatory.

Niger Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel August 2, 2023
South Sudan Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 31, 2023
Somalia Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 31, 2023
Mali Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 31, 2023
Central African Republic Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 31, 2023
Burkina Faso Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 31, 2023
Haiti Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 27, 2023
Belarus Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 26, 2023
North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 24, 2023
Burma (Myanmar) Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 24, 2023
Venezuela Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 17, 2023
Yemen Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 13, 2023
Syria Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 13, 2023
Libya Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 13, 2023
Iraq Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 13, 2023
Iran Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 13, 2023
Afghanistan Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel June 23, 2023
Ukraine Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel May 22, 2023
Sudan Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel April 22, 2023
Russia Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel February 13, 2023

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Biden / the US telling US citizens to leave Belarus immediately and so strongly is an extremely worrying announcement. US intelligence has been extremely solid when it comes to imminent crisis, including the invasion of Ukraine.

I think there may be a major imminent event, and I don't think it will be Belarus invading Ukraine directly, but something worse.

Here is the original announcement for Russia (the US had expected the war to start within days, but Russia delayed at the request of China due to the olympics)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60342814

For context these are the current level 4 warnings and all pretty self explanatory.

Niger Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel August 2, 2023
South Sudan Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 31, 2023
Somalia Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 31, 2023
Mali Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 31, 2023
Central African Republic Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 31, 2023
Burkina Faso Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 31, 2023
Haiti Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 27, 2023
Belarus Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 26, 2023
North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 24, 2023
Burma (Myanmar) Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 24, 2023
Venezuela Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 17, 2023
Yemen Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 13, 2023
Syria Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 13, 2023
Libya Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 13, 2023
Iraq Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 13, 2023
Iran Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel July 13, 2023
Afghanistan Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel June 23, 2023
Ukraine Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel May 22, 2023
Sudan Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel April 22, 2023
Russia Travel Advisory Level 4: Do Not Travel February 13, 2023

There's a million reasons why a recommendation like that would be made.

Options include for example the fear that Belarus is looking for excuses to use US citizens as pawns and political leverage. For example looking for reasons to confiscate their property and/or put them in jail, or just the worry that that might be going on. Or the worry that the anti-western propaganda situation in Belarus is getting so bad that there's fears US citizens might face random unprovoked violence due to their nationality.

Doesn't necessarily mean there's any particular new development expected.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by nik-

Don't respond to him with the thought that he's genuinely looking to engage in a discussion. He's not. He's here to #### all over the thread like he does in every other thread.

Pot meet kettle.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Pot meet kettle.

Still sad?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by nik-

Still sad?

Nope, just found it hilarious the sites longest tenured troll would call someone else out for something they have been doing on here for years. I mean as bizarre as his takes are at least Yoho actually presents some kind of discussion or writes something that is an opinion, even if nobody in their right mind agrees with it. You on the other hand gum up everything with your pathetic fly by comments to stir the pot because your only purpose on this board is to piss off people or say something utterly stupid. Is Yoho out to lunch with his views? Yup. Is he still a better contributor to CP than you? Yup. You keep doing you though, what a pathetic existence...

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1694208269248782790

[nik-]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nope, just found it hilarious the sites longest tenured troll would call someone else out for something they have been doing on here for years. I mean as bizarre as his takes are at least Yoho actually presents some kind of discussion or writes something that is an opinion, even if nobody in their right mind agrees with it. You on the other hand gum up everything with your pathetic fly by comments to stir the pot because your only purpose on this board is to piss off people or say something utterly stupid. Is Yoho out to lunch with his views? Yup. Is he still a better contributor to CP than you? Yup. You keep doing you though, what a pathetic existence...

Remember when you said you were going to fly to Calgary to fight me and everyone laughed at you because you looked like a total clown? Pathetic existence indeed.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by nik-

Remember when you said you were going to fly to Calgary to fight me and everyone laughed at you because you looked like a total clown? Pathetic existence indeed.

Oh come on, as if I was serious. You are either 10 years old posting out of moms basement of mentally disabled, as if I would fight someone in either situation. I will just throw you back on ignore now like the majority of the board has. You keep trolling away though Nik, you are doing a great job! 👍

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Biden / the US telling US citizens to leave Belarus immediately and so strongly is an extremely worrying announcement. US intelligence has been extremely solid when it comes to imminent crisis, including the invasion of Ukraine.

I think a big part of it is just that Latvia and Lithuania have closed many border crossings and are likely to close many more shortly. This really limits the ability for Americans to get out on short notice if they need to.

Tensions are higher with Belarus though, that is true. I don't think a conflict is imminent, but Poland has already caught several Russians in Poland who were trying to recruit for Wagner, so you know they are already infiltrating. A mishap or false-flag attack isn't out of the question, and could lead to drastic escalation. I do get the sense that Poland is getting pretty antsy.

[Cheese]

had a laugh about this. Wonder what that conversation sounded like?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1694326727999111310


Russian morale must be pathetic right now.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1694064344068239546

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Russian morale must be pathetic right now.

Not according to Yoho's sources.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Cheese

had a laugh about this. Wonder what that conversation sounded like?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1694326727999111310


Russian morale must be pathetic right now.

No mention of other crew members. Those things have a crew of 3. One wonders what happened there.

[sureLoss]

Reports that a Russian General has been fired after not being seen publicly since the Wagner rebellion:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66590916

One of Russia's leading military figures, Gen Sergei Surovikin, has reportedly lost his job as air force chief after weeks of speculation about his disappearance from public view.

Ria Novosti agency said he had been relieved of his post, citing a source.

For several months Gen Surovikin was in charge of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine but he has not been seen since the Wagner mutiny in June.

Observers believe his removal dates back to the botched rebellion.

One Russian report quoted a defence ministry source as saying he had been dismissed because of a transfer to a new job and he was now on a short vacation.

His role as head of aerospace forces has been taken on by air force chief of staff, Gen Viktor Afzalov, Ria Novosti adds.

During the hours that Wagner mercenaries marched towards Moscow on 24 June, Gen Surovikin appeared in a video appealing to them to return to base.

But his awkward performance was later compared to a hostage-style video. The general was known to have good relations with Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin, who reserved his loathing for other figures in the defence hierarchy.

In the weeks after the June revolt, there were unconfirmed reports by Russian military bloggers that Gen Surovikin had been detained for questioning. But officials denied he was being held in a pre-trial detention centre and one retired general said that he was merely "resting" and unavailable.

[bc-chris]

One Russian report quoted a defence ministry source as saying he had been dismissed because of a transfer to a new job and he was now on a short vacation.

short vacation... you mean like a short 'trip' out of a really high window?

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Itse

No mention of other crew members. Those things have a crew of 3. One wonders what happened there.

more on the chopper

https://twitter.com/user/status/1694334825828683995

https://twitter.com/user/status/1694320399733891196