Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I’ll take the UCP in the next election if you want a purely friendly wager?
I’ll let you take the field.

Guys, I think the bot's algorithm is drifting again.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Gee, how generous... you're not only giving him the Liberals, but the NDP, the green party and the communist party? To form a government? How could he refuse when the pot is sweetened to that degree?

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Guys, I think the bot's algorithm is drifting again.

Good catch CPC

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Assuming the Liberals fail to dump Trudeau before the next election (and a ton can happen—I have to think the knives are out for him a little bit), the next election is going to be the classic “choice vs referendum” election.

Polievre wants it to be a referendum on Trudeau. If he succeeds, he probably wins. Trudeau is not popular, and most people of every political stripe agree it’s time for him to go.

Trudeau wants it to be a “choice” between him and Poilievre. If he succeeds, he probably wins another slim minority. Poilievre is in his own many ways unpalatable to centrist voters and to the extent he can be portrayed as scary and ultra-right we will probably see some of those voters “come home” and hold their noses to vote Liberal one more time.

In all honesty, I have no idea which scenario is worse for Canada. Neither seems very good. Nor do I have a better option to suggest…. :/.

I do think that when it comes to the “core” bread and butter issues (inflation, the economy, housing, etc.) it probably doesn’t matter which nincompoop gets elected. Neither is equipped to deal with it and to a certain degree the federal government can’t even deal with it because it just has the wrong tools. That won’t stop the election from being about those issues though.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I’ll take the UCP in the next election if you want a purely friendly wager?
I’ll let you take the field.

I'm not betting on a guy that I won't vote for!

[timun]

I'll take that bet. Not a hope in hell the United Conservative Party of Alberta wins the next Canadian federal election.

[Ozy_Flame]

"PP has lots of charisma, that’s another reason why he’s burying JT in the the polls. He’s genuine and believable."

This has to be the greatest wag the dog moment in the history of CP. Bravo, our sage of delusion.

[White Out 403]

I don't see the big deal in a conservative minority. The Liberals have done nothing to address the housing crisis and the cost of housing in our country has become completely unsustainable and amongst the worst in all the developed nations in the entire world. How we can keep rewarding the Liberals with election wins even a minority is unacceptable to me.

[peter12]

Dude, give the CPC a majority. I could not care less about this Liberal government anymore.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

"PP has lots of charisma, that’s another reason why he’s burying JT in the the polls. He’s genuine and believable."

This has to be the greatest wag the dog moment in the history of CP. Bravo, our sage of delusion.

I would have agreed with you 6 months ago. Now, I am not so sure.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

"PP has lots of charisma, that’s another reason why he’s burying JT in the the polls. He’s genuine and believable."

This has to be the greatest wag the dog moment in the history of CP. Bravo, our sage of delusion.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/sat...lievre-glasses

For 26 years of adult life, Pierre Marcel Poilievre didn’t concern himself with such diversionary trivialities as “approachability” and “attractiveness to women.” He was a man of raw, unemotional practicality. If he needed a car, he picked a Toyota Corolla (beige to hide the dirt, of course). And if one or both eyes became nearsighted, he sourced the most utilitarian corrective appliance possible.

This guy must be stopped. We need someone in power who knows how to pull off a cool pair of socks.

[OldDutch]

PP has about as much say as JT does in overall government. These guys don’t get in the details of Finance, or Immigration, or anything really. Its who you think has the better overall team.

Neither I would think are stellar, but do you re-elect a group that has fired almost every minister at this point, and are not reacting to affordability after focusing on other things for 8 years? Meanwhile still looking at net zero which will raise the cost of living!?!

Liberals are past their expiration date. I think if JT sees this he cowardly steps down 6 months prior leaving Freeland to take the Kim Campbell hit.

Either way people by and large seem to finally notice its time to move on. The social distractions and manipulation is over.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

PP has about as much say as JT does in overall government. These guys don’t get in the details of Finance, or Immigration, or anything really. Its who you think has the better overall team.

Neither I would think are stellar, but do you re-elect a group that has fired almost every minister at this point, and are not reacting to affordability after focusing on other things for 8 years? Meanwhile still looking at net zero which will raise the cost of living!?!

Liberals are past their expiration date. I think if JT sees this he cowardly steps down 6 months prior leaving Freeland to take the Kim Campbell hit.

Either way people by and large seem to finally notice its time to move on. The social distractions and manipulation is over.

You are right that the crop is weak, and has been for 10+ years. The Liberal team is a bit of a joke. Where are the adults?

[GGG]

How outraged are people going to be when the conservatives when a minority and the liberals are asked if they can form a government and then they do with the support of the NDP.

This would be completely democratic and follow all Canadian democratic norms but I suspect there would be a group that refuses to understand how a parliamentary system works.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by GGG

How outraged are people going to be when the conservatives when a minority and the liberals are asked if they can form a government and then they do with the support of the NDP.

This would be completely democratic and follow all Canadian democratic norms but I suspect there would be a group that refuses to understand how a parliamentary system works.

I can almost hear the truck engines starting…

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I don't see the big deal in a conservative minority. The Liberals have done nothing to address the housing crisis and the cost of housing in our country has become completely unsustainable and amongst the worst in all the developed nations in the entire world. How we can keep rewarding the Liberals with election wins even a minority is unacceptable to me.

The problem for Pierre is a Conservative minority is a pretty feeble government with which to enact policies both of the major opposition parties strongly disagree with. Sure, he can get some things done but any major legislation will be impossible.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by GGG

How outraged are people going to be when the conservatives when a minority and the liberals are asked if they can form a government and then they do with the support of the NDP.

This would be completely democratic and follow all Canadian democratic norms but I suspect there would be a group that refuses to understand how a parliamentary system works.

Not really. The norm is that usually the party with the most seats gets the first shot at forming government, but it would be entirely legit and democratic.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The problem for Pierre is a Conservative minority is a pretty feeble government with which to enact policies both of the major opposition parties strongly disagree with. Sure, he can get some things done but any major legislation will be impossible.

Does Singh have any principles? Serious question. He will take whichever deal gives him a shot at sitting in the corner with government.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by peter12

Does Singh have any principles? Serious question. He will take whichever deal gives him a shot at sitting in the corner with government.

That only works if Pierre has anything in common with what Singh wants and Pierre is willing to compromise on. Does compromise sound like a word that exists to Pierre?

[timun]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The problem for Pierre is a Conservative minority is a pretty feeble government with which to enact policies both of the major opposition parties strongly disagree with. Sure, he can get some things done but any major legislation will be impossible.

This is the best-case scenario in my opinion. Let 'em drive the boat, but don't give 'em the keys.