Hockey guy did some for top 40 forwards, top 30 D and top 10 goalies.
Not one flame..
I know he's just some YouTube put he has a pretty big following and is usually pretty rational.
Pretty disappointing state... not one truly elite player. Hopefully Huberdeau has a huge bounce back.
And is any of that news to you?
Based on last season, the Flames lack elite talent.
Yup. We all knew that.
They have guys that could return to elite status, but that's a question.
We knew that too.
I find these lists and articles to be interesting to get a sense of other teams, though even then they like depth of thought and any real insight.
But they never tell me anything about the Flames that I don't already know.
So why is it disappointing. Did you have a different sense of the current state of the team before reading this article?
And is any of that news to you?
Based on last season, the Flames lack elite talent.
Yup. We all knew that.
They have guys that could return to elite status, but that's a question.
We knew that too.
I find these lists and articles to be interesting to get a sense of other teams, though even then they like depth of thought and any real insight.
But they never tell me anything about the Flames that I don't already know.
So why is it disappointing. Did you have a different sense of the current state of the team before reading this article?
I know what my perception of the flames is. Sometimes you can get too close to something.
These lists provide an outside view into how players are perceived against each other across the league.
It's dissapointing to have my negative perceptions of my team be shared across the league.
I know what my perception of the flames is. Sometimes you can get too close to something.
These lists provide an outside view into how players are perceived against each other across the league.
It's dissapointing to have my negative perceptions of my team be shared across the league.
Well if you want to have comfort go back and look at past lists and predictions.
The game of hockey has a lot of year to year randomness.
Either this team surprises or they have a bad year which provokes a larger sell off.
Either I'm good with.
Many of the lists, if not all, are a classic what-have-you-done-for-me-lately kind of list. Everyone has written off many of the current Flames already. And that’s alright, that’s generally when we play our best hockey.
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RNH was top 10 in league scoring last year so obviously he's going to be in the top 20 wingers.
Yes because, if you want to analyze something, you should always just use one input variable, and just take the last data set of it.
/s
If I want to know who was in the top 10 for scoring last year, I can look at the scoring list for last year. If I want to know who the top 20 wingers in the NHL are, I might want to expand my analysis just a tad. There isn't a fan, scout, analyst, GM, coach, or anything else around hockey (outside of Edmonton) who would include RNH in their list of the 20 best wingers in the NHL. Except, apparently, the dude that slapped this list together.
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Yes because, if you want to analyze something, you should always just use one input variable, and just take the last data set of it.
/s
If I want to know who was in the top 10 for scoring last year, I can look at the scoring list for last year. If I want to know who the top 20 wingers in the NHL are, I might want to expand my analysis just a tad. There isn't a fan, scout, analyst, GM, coach, or anything else around hockey (outside of Edmonton) who would include RNH in their list of the 20 best wingers in the NHL. Except, apparently, the dude that slapped this list together.
I get that RNH is E=NG. But you simply don't leave off a guy who had 100+ points off any kind of "best of" list in his position. It annoys me to see him there, but fact is, 100+ points in quite an accomplishment, even if you get layups from McDrai all day.
If it was a Flames' player putting up 100+ points (even in an anomaly season), we'd all be ripping that article for leaving them off. What have you done for me lately always plays a big role in these kinds of lists, not sure why anyone thinks that is anything new.
RNH was top 10 in league scoring last year so obviously he's going to be in the top 20 wingers.
Yeah I think people are looking at this list like each player is in a vacuum. RNH on his own line with other players wouldn't even be a winger, nevermind a top-20 winger. But they're not ranking that because it doesn't exist. They're ranking what does exist: RNH playing on the wing with McDavid and/or Draisaitl, which is a completely different thing.
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Obviously based on what you have done lately
Anyway Tkachuk better than Kucherov is a ####ing joke
And I am not Dino, I like Tkachuk
Tkachuk and Kucherov put up similar points (currently - Kucherov has done it for a longer period of time, though), but Tkachuk brings a lot more to the table than just that. Tkachuk can still impact the game in a big way without putting any points on the board... I'm not sure the same can be said for Kucherov.
Yeah I think people are looking at this list like each player is in a vacuum. RNH on his own line with other players wouldn't even be a winger, nevermind a top-20 winger. But they're not ranking that because it doesn't exist. They're ranking what does exist: RNH playing on the wing with McDavid and/or Draisaitl, which is a completely different thing.
Tkachuk and Kucherov put up similar points (currently - Kucherov has done it for a longer period of time, though), but Tkachuk brings a lot more to the table than just that. Tkachuk can still impact the game in a big way without putting any points on the board... I'm not sure the same can be said for Kucherov.
Kucherov: 2 Stanley Cups, Hart, Art Ross, multiple first team all stars, point per game in playoff since forever
Tkachuk: younger, one good playoff but intangibles lol
Yeah I think people are looking at this list like each player is in a vacuum. RNH on his own line with other players wouldn't even be a winger, nevermind a top-20 winger. But they're not ranking that because it doesn't exist. They're ranking what does exist: RNH playing on the wing with McDavid and/or Draisaitl, which is a completely different thing.
Tkachuk and Kucherov put up similar points (currently - Kucherov has done it for a longer period of time, though), but Tkachuk brings a lot more to the table than just that. Tkachuk can still impact the game in a big way without putting any points on the board... I'm not sure the same can be said for Kucherov.
I'd take Kucherov over Tkachuk. Tkachuk without points is often a negative - bad penalties, inspiring opponents, turning the officials against the team...
Watch how much he creates out there even without getting any points. Then add in his physical play, his ability to draw penalties and get under opponent's skin. This video doesn't really show any of that part of his game.
Kucherov is a great player. Better offensively than Tkachuck is, for sure... but Chucky is a much more complete player. Like, they'll both give you 100+ points, but Matthew also brings better possession-driving and defensive metrics, more physicality, and "put the team on his back" leadership.
Kucherov: 2 Stanley Cups, Hart, Art Ross, multiple first team all stars, point per game in playoff since forever
Tkachuk: younger, one good playoff but intangibles lol
Are you really trying to compare playing with Tampa vs playing with Calgary?
Even if you put aside the massive difference in quality of teams (which is how you get playoff trophies), just looking at linemates:
One guy's played most of his entire career with Stamkos and Point.
The other guy's played most of his entire career with Backlund and Frolik.
Matthew Tkachuk has scored 100+ points in every single season that he hasn't been primarily deployed in a shutdown role with Michael Backlund. Think about that for a second.
Are you really trying to compare playing with Tampa vs playing with Calgary?
Even if you put aside the massive difference in quality of teams (which is how you get playoff trophies), just looking at linemates:
One guy's played most of his entire career with Stamkos and Point.
The other guy's played most of his entire career with Backlund and Frolik.
Matthew Tkachuk has scored 100+ points in every single season that he hasn't been primarily deployed in a shutdown role with Michael Backlund. Think about that for a second.
Again I said Tkachuk is a great player, he is just not Kucherov great YET.
Kucherov has not slowed down yet. If Tkachuk continues like last year, maybe he will pass Kucherov but not today for me
Btw, people are talking like Tkachuk was great with guys like Backlund and Frolik. He was good not great. He became great with Gaudreau and Barkov.
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