I just don’t get lineups like this. Lindholm is a center. It’s rare to find ones that are as good at it as he is. Sorry but he isn’t playing wing nor should he.
As for Dube…don’t we kind of know what we have there? Middle six at best who can play center in a pinch?
The 2018-19 Lindholm was a very capable RW as well. I personally don't know what we have in Dube. He's utilized the same way Bennett was. He's up and down the lineup, and the results are kind of similar. He looks like a prime candidate to pop this year, because he's shown he has all the tools. He has a very good shot, and good speed, he just needs to generate more with them.
As for loading up a line, the guys up north do it quite successfully when they're trailing. I would argue that if Draisaitl can do it so can Lindholm.
Realistically though, what do we lose by giving it a try in preseason for example, if it works it's something we can implement.
Watching the Glencross interview on Barn Burner reminded me of some of the found gold we have in the late 2000s with players like him and Bourque coming into the lineup. Finding those players primed to breakout really added some meat to those teams.
Hopefully Sharangovich can be one for us this year, and would be great if we could identify a few other players around the league that maybe could be acquired. Pinto in Ottawa certainly seems like one of those candidates.
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The 2018-19 Lindholm was a very capable RW as well. I personally don't know what we have in Dube. He's utilized the same way Bennett was. He's up and down the lineup, and the results are kind of similar. He looks like a prime candidate to pop this year, because he's shown he has all the tools. He has a very good shot, and good speed, he just needs to generate more with them.
As for loading up a line, the guys up north do it quite successfully when they're trailing. I would argue that if Draisaitl can do it so can Lindholm.
Realistically though, what do we lose by giving it a try in preseason for example, if it works it's something we can implement.
The Dube and Bennett situations aren't all that similar. Dube was a much lower draft pick, who required far more development time. Dube was also a somewhat small player who needed time to build physical strength.
Dube's development is exactly where it should be. Is he capable of more? Potentially? He's been given lots of playing time. There's not reason to pencil him in on the top line right now. Sure, give him the chance to play up and show what he's got, but Dube doesn't look like he's been stifled.
Bennett is more like a wrecking ball with some offensive talent (although not as much as people are pumping him up to have, he has a career high of 49 points and has put up more than 40 points once). Bennett is effective in the top 6, because he is so disruptive, not because he's suddenly developed previously untapped offensive genius.
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Watching the Glencross interview on Barn Burner reminded me of some of the found gold we have in the late 2000s with players like him and Bourque coming into the lineup. Finding those players primed to breakout really added some meat to those teams.
Hopefully Sharangovich can be one for us this year, and would be great if we could identify a few other players around the league that maybe could be acquired. Pinto in Ottawa certainly seems like one of those candidates.
We've got a farm team full of Glencross/Bourque style players. Duehr, Zary, Pelletier, Ruzicka, Corronato, etc... These are all potentially gritty players with all sorts of drive. Give them a chance to play.
The other comparible between Bennett and Dube is they both have the ability to hammer guys at times. Even though they aren’t the biggest players. They play bigger than they are.
We've got a farm team full of Glencross/Bourque style players. Duehr, Zary, Pelletier, Ruzicka, Corronato, etc... These are all potentially gritty players with all sorts of drive. Give them a chance to play.
Having the above list take the next step is going to be critical in moving the organization away from continually plugging holes with 34 year old journeymen.
At some point some of the young guys have to start making an impact. I’d include Dube, Wolf and Gilbert in that list also.
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The Dube and Bennett situations aren't all that similar. Dube was a much lower draft pick, who required far more development time. Dube was also a somewhat small player who needed time to build physical strength.
Dube's development is exactly where it should be. Is he capable of more? Potentially? He's been given lots of playing time. There's not reason to pencil him in on the top line right now. Sure, give him the chance to play up and show what he's got, but Dube doesn't look like he's been stifled.
Bennett is more like a wrecking ball with some offensive talent (although not as much as people are pumping him up to have, he has a career high of 49 points and has put up more than 40 points once). Bennett is effective in the top 6, because he is so disruptive, not because he's suddenly developed previously untapped offensive genius.
I agree that Bennett was drafted ~50 spots higher, and made it to the NHL as an 18y.o, compared to Dube getting his first taste as a 20y.o. As far as size Bennett is 5cm taller, and 3kg heavier. I think you're somewhat exaggerating the size difference here.
Here's their prorated(82GP) production at the same age:
Aside from the bad year Bennett had as a 23 year old their production is pretty similar. The 24 year old season is the one where he was traded to FLA.
I also think that you're mislabeling Bennett as a player that only once scored more than 40pts. In the last 2.5 seasons with FLA Bennett has 50G, and 104pts in 144GP. That comes down to 28G, 59Pt over an 82 game season. He maintained that pace over the last 2.5 seasons. Bennett benefited from a bigger role, better line-mates, and a different usage.
I'm making the case the Dube will also benefit from that kind of usage, including PP1. That's why I think that Dube can be a 25G, 50-60P player as soon as next season.
of the college players who did not sign yesterday, the one I find interesting is Trevor Janicke from Notre Dame. Super high energy player who might one day play a 4th line role. He is a bigger Ryan Lomberg-type. Watching Irish games, you can't help notice him as he is always involved in the play
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I agree that Bennett was drafted ~50 spots higher, and made it to the NHL as an 18y.o, compared to Dube getting his first taste as a 20y.o. As far as size Bennett is 5cm taller, and 3kg heavier. I think you're somewhat exaggerating the size difference here.
Here's their prorated(82GP) production at the same age:
Aside from the bad year Bennett had as a 23 year old their production is pretty similar. The 24 year old season is the one where he was traded to FLA.
I also think that you're mislabeling Bennett as a player that only once scored more than 40pts. In the last 2.5 seasons with FLA Bennett has 50G, and 104pts in 144GP. That comes down to 28G, 59Pt over an 82 game season. He maintained that pace over the last 2.5 seasons. Bennett benefited from a bigger role, better line-mates, and a different usage.
I'm making the case the Dube will also benefit from that kind of usage, including PP1. That's why I think that Dube can be a 25G, 50-60P player as soon as next season.
The point is that Bennett isn't getting those top lines minutes because he's some kind of offensive dynamo. He's getting those minutes because of the physical game he brings. Going from a 40 point pace to a 59 point pace, after being given first line minutes, isn't even all that great. And that includes the crazy start Bennett got in Florida. Bennett was on a 52 point pace last season. For a top 6 player that's just okay.
I think Dube could probably replicate that. He's, however, a lot more 1 dimensional than Bennett. A 52 point Dube in our top line, without Bennett's physical play, is hardly something to write home about. It's likely more of a wasted roster spot.
The Dube and Bennett situations aren't all that similar. Dube was a much lower draft pick, who required far more development time. Dube was also a somewhat small player who needed time to build physical strength.
Dube's development is exactly where it should be. Is he capable of more? Potentially? He's been given lots of playing time. There's not reason to pencil him in on the top line right now. Sure, give him the chance to play up and show what he's got, but Dube doesn't look like he's been stifled.
Bennett is more like a wrecking ball with some offensive talent (although not as much as people are pumping him up to have, he has a career high of 49 points and has put up more than 40 points once). Bennett is effective in the top 6, because he is so disruptive, not because he's suddenly developed previously untapped offensive genius.
Not sure I agree with this, I think he's just being used properly. Florida coach raved about him mentioned people he talked to around the league praising the type of player he is. Even coach Q said they hit the jackpot when they acquired Bennett. What Sam Bennett brings is what a lot of coaches want.
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Watching the Glencross interview on Barn Burner reminded me of some of the found gold we have in the late 2000s with players like him and Bourque coming into the lineup. Finding those players primed to breakout really added some meat to those teams.
Hopefully Sharangovich can be one for us this year, and would be great if we could identify a few other players around the league that maybe could be acquired. Pinto in Ottawa certainly seems like one of those candidates.
Sharangovich, Ruzicka and Coronato feel like they could have that type of potential.
There aren't really a lot of good players out there interesting enough to offer PTOs to. Free agents like Tatar and Kane are obviously decent, but are likely going to sign somewhere and aren't looking for PTOs.
One guy I might look at is Joonas Donskoi. Fast and energetic player who can contribute some offense while playing down the line-up.
He has some pretty sick moves.
If Ethan Bear is healthy by then (not likely), I would consider him as well. I think he has some upside as a depth defenseman and maybe Huska could help him.
JP is probably done in the NHL after his poor showing in Carolina. I might consider him though because he is still relatively young and is likely highly motivated. Wost case is you just cut him anyway, and the Flames will need vets for pre-season games.
Maybe Phil Kessel just for the lolz.
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There aren't really a lot of good players out there interesting enough to offer PTOs to. Free agents like Tatar and Kane are obviously decent, but are likely going to sign somewhere and aren't looking for PTOs.
One guy I might look at is Joonas Donskoi. Fast and energetic player who can contribute some offense while playing down the line-up.
He has some pretty sick moves.
If Ethan Bear is healthy by then (not likely), I would consider him as well. I think he has some upside as a depth defenseman and maybe Huska could help him.
JP is probably done in the NHL after his poor showing in Carolina. I might consider him though because he is still relatively young and is likely highly motivated. Wost case is you just cut him anyway, and the Flames will need vets for pre-season games.
Maybe Phil Kessel just for the lolz.
I always had a soft spot for Paul Stastny. I think he could be a decent 4th line C, that can play on the PK and be a face-off specialist(I can't remember the last time he was below ~55%).
That said, I really want to see what we have in Ruzicka, and Jones for that role, or maybe even Zary if he has a great camp.
Lance Lysowski, writing for the Buffalo News, reports that the Buffalo Sabres currently possess a surplus of nine defensemen under contract, making it impossible to retain them all. GM Kevyn Adams is likely aiming to enhance cap flexibility by trading one as the trade deadline approaches, contingent on the team’s performance throughout the season. In terms of trade likelihood, Lysowski points to four players worth watching: Jacob Bryson, Ilya Lyubushkin, Riley Stillman, and Henri Jokiharju.
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