Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

What’s your endgame here?

What is yours?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Muta

Cool - so you want to stick it to the feds because you find that funny, but what about the thousands of Albertans that have just potentially lost their jobs because of this dumb moratorium on renewables and the redirected investment opportunities to other jurisdictions by energy companies? Do you think that's funny too?

Source on the thousands of jobs lost?

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Pretty sure he was saying just that with a banana in his hand. Lol

And I have had 7 too many beers. Lol

Mix in a water and try again.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Mix in a water and try again.

Maybe tomorrow

Cheers!

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

What is yours?

Basically I’m providing my own personal views on politics in this province with the hopes of maybe convincing the more rationally thinking supporters of Danielle Smith with kindness that she should either reverse or at least moderate a single one of her party’s policies that her sycophants are trying to fool voters into believing is a good thing for Albertans when it really isn’t. In the perhaps vain hope that they’ll hold her accountable to implement said policy change that would actually help working Albertans with minimal to zero government intervention. You know, with freedom and all that allegedly being paramount to her and a number of her supporters.

I do so because I actually give a #### about the well being of the average Albertan, something I don’t think the premiere would pass a polygraph test while saying.

Your turn.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Source on the thousands of jobs lost?

Nice.. jump straight to the strawman. But since you asked, here you go:

Jobs will be wiped out with Alberta’s pause on renewable energy: industry group

https://globalnews.ca/news/9886056/j...ndustry-group/

An industry group says Alberta’s decision to pause approvals of new renewable energy projects is putting the lives of thousands of workers on hold.

Iron and Earth, a group that assists fossil fuel employees transition to the renewables industry, says the United Conservative Party’s announcement last week for a moratorium on renewable projects will wipe out a season on work.

Director Luisa Da Silva says those workers have bills to pay and many are likely to leave the province if they are essentially asked to not work.

Renewable energy workers say Alberta's pause will wipe out season of work

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...erta-1.6932005

"You're asking people to put a pause on their lives," said Luisa Da Silva, director of Iron and Earth, a group that assists fossil fuel employees transition to the renewables industry. "You're asking people not to work."

"I don't know what their thinking is," Da Silva said. "But I don't think it's fair to ask people to not work and to basically shut down the industry for six months."

Da Silva said the effect of the pause is likely to last much longer, as both the pause itself and the uncertainty of its result will affect planning for next year's construction season and beyond. It comes as other jurisdictions in Canada and the United States are ramping up their renewable energy.

"What's going to stop workers from going where the jobs are?" Da Silva asked. "Not much."

Would you like more sources? Or are you too drunk to read and interpret properly?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Basically I’m providing my own personal views on politics in this province with the hopes of maybe convincing the more rationally thinking supporters of Danielle Smith with kindness that she should either reverse or at least moderate a single one of her party’s policies that her sycophants are trying to fool voters into believing is a good thing for Albertans when it really isn’t. In the perhaps vain hope that they’ll hold her accountable to implement said policy change that would actually help working Albertans with minimal to zero government intervention. You know, with freedom and all that allegedly being paramount to her and a number of her supporters.

I do so because I actually give a #### about the well being of the average Albertan, something I don’t think the premiere would pass a polygraph test while saying.

Your turn.

Budweiser salutes you.

Well, Bud Light does I guess.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Muta

Nice.. jump straight to the strawman. But since you asked, here you go:

Jobs will be wiped out with Alberta’s pause on renewable energy: industry group

https://globalnews.ca/news/9886056/j...ndustry-group/



Renewable energy workers say Alberta's pause will wipe out season of work

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...erta-1.6932005





Would you like more sources? Or are you too drunk to read and interpret properly?

Too drunk. Lol.

Lots of maybes there. Not one lost so far though.

Might be lost tomorrow, but not today

[timun]

Axiomata:

Originally Posted by timun

Spoiler!

Originally Posted by timun

Quoting myself from last year:

I couldn't be more correct.

Originally Posted by timun

As far as I can tell the moratorium is purely to spite the renewable energy industry in this province, as retribution for all the perceived malfeasance by "the Left" against the oil and gas industry. That's all it is: a big ####-you to "pwn the libs". There is no rhyme or reason to it other than that.

Demonstratio:

Originally Posted by Yoho

Welcome to the last 8 years for the O@G sector under Trudeau.

Q.E.D.



Imagine how much enmity one must have for their fellow man—how utterly bereft of morals and basic human decency one must be—to support the United Conservative Party. It's impressive, in a way, how low people will go.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Too drunk. Lol.

Lots of maybes there. Not one lost so far though.

Might be lost tomorrow, but not today

...which is explicitly what I said in my posts - they're coming. Oh, and - are you sure one hasn't been lost yet? Those articles are a week old now. Can you provide a source to your claim that one job hasn't been lost yet?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Muta

...which is explicitly what I said in my posts - they're coming. Oh, and - are you sure one hasn't been lost yet? Those articles are a week old now. Can you provide a source to your claim that one job hasn't been lost yet?

Straw man.

If you have a straw. Put is in a drink and have fun!! We might be without jobs tomorrow

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Budweiser salutes you.

Well, Bud Light does I guess.

Maybe it’s time for you to call it a night Doctorfever.

[Doctorfever]

I feel a fever coming on. Good night

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Straw man.

If you have a straw. Put is in a drink and have fun!! We might be without jobs tomorrow

Yeah you're drunk. Maybe come back when you're coherent, not getting things wrong, and can provide a link to your jobs claim.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

And yet:

Historic profits in oilpatch on track to continue as global oil demand set to jump yet again

I’m talking about blocking every pipeline project possible. Thankfully JT doesn’t control the price of oil.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by timun

Axiomata:







Demonstratio:



Q.E.D.



Imagine how much enmity one must have for their fellow man—how utterly bereft of morals and basic human decency one must be—to support the United Conservative Party. It's impressive, in a way, how low people will go.

You sure enjoy quoting yourself. Again missed these tears when other projects went up in smoke.

Did you honestly think the Liberals were the only party that could railroad projects out of spite?

[Ozy_Flame]

Trudeau got more pipelines done than Harper. Biden cancelled Keystone. And both upstream and midstream companies are doing just fine (if not outright profiteering at new heights).

This upcoming moratorium could end up costing Albertans and Alberta industry dearly, and that was imposed by Bus Boobs for still no discernible good reason.

What is about some conservatives who can't seem to get this through their sponge cake brains?

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I’m talking about blocking every pipeline project possible. Thankfully JT doesn’t control the price of oil.

He screwed Alberta and Enbridge on Gateway for sure, but I don’t think he’s had an impact on another pipeline project at all. I’ve got no love lost for him, I think he’s an empty shell but if we are cancelling renewable projects because we are mad at him, that’s some pretty piss poor policy making.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

This upcoming moratorium could end up costing Albertans and Alberta industry dearly, and that was imposed by Bus Boobs for still no discernible good reason.

What is about some conservatives who can't seem to get this through their sponge cake brains?

It makes all the sense in the world to conservatives:

Originally Posted by timun

Imagine how much enmity one must have for their fellow man—how utterly bereft of morals and basic human decency one must be—to support the United Conservative Party. It's impressive, in a way, how low people will go.

Just pretend you have no morals and decency, and your purpose in life is to lash out against your "enemies". Once you're at that point you sprinkle in some classic whataboutery in the Stalinist tradition, and thereafter you can "rationalize" anything.

The purpose of the moratorium is to hurt people who don't work in oil & gas. That the people in question are fellow Albertans is irrelevant: to the conservative, if you work in the renewables industry you must be a liberal, thus you must be punished.

That's all there is to it.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by timun

It makes all the sense in the world to conservatives:



Just pretend you have no morals and decency, and your purpose in life is to lash out against your "enemies". Once you're at that point you sprinkle in some classic whataboutery in the Stalinist tradition, and thereafter you can "rationalize" anything.

The purpose of the moratorium is to hurt people who don't work in oil & gas. That the people in question are fellow Albertans is irrelevant: to the conservative, if you work in the renewables industry you must be a liberal, thus you must be punished.

That's all there is to it.

Yup, which is also on clear display with the "just transition" resistance. She's directly hurting Albertans because of ideology. As an Albertan who would be interested in transitioning from my O&G career, it's a real kick in the pickle. But UCP supporters don't really care about anyone else, so this stuff is all a big win for their brains.