Who do you want to be Captain?

[Hackey]

Ya it's not rocket appliances. The Flames have nothing to attract or keep players right now other than offering the most money. Build a contender and players will stay.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Gaudreau’s dad had a heart attack and nearly died. COVID travel restrictions to Canada made it very difficult for him to see his family. He chose to go back closer to them.

Tkachuk was willing to sign for 6 years coming off his ELC - Treliving chose to prioritize keeping Frolik, and signed Neal to an albatross contract the year previous. (And also signed Brouwer to a garbage deal that was eating up money that could’ve gone to Tkachuk).

Neither got along with the coach, and as they held all the power last summer, they used it.

Toffoli has a shot at one more big contract, and he’s got two rings already - he wants to play meaningful hockey.

Backlund has never been past the second round and he’ll be 35.

Lindholm and Hanifin can go anywhere they want next year, and make functionally the same amount of money (barring major injuries).

First time HC, rookie GM, question marks in goal, question marks if Huberdeau is washed before his 8 year deal even starts (I don’t think he is), no elite players under 28, no hotshot prospects on the level of Gaudreau/Tkachuk on the way, old building, small Canadian market.

It isn’t complicated, it isn’t personal - it’s bad timing.

Yep. Perfect storm. Treliving fumbled.

[Lucky23]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

It blows my mind that some people can't understand the possiblity of external reasons for wanting out.

Gaudreau
Tkachuk
Lindholm
Hanifin
Backlund
Toffoli

But yeah, Tkachuk's the only one to blame for wanting out.

Edit: Not to mention Darryl Sutter himself saying there was no one on our team capable of being a captain. So... no, he literally couldn't have been the Captain whether he stayed or not.

It blows my mind that some people can't understand that
we still have lots of great players who would love to play for and be the captain for the Flames.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Lucky23

It blows my mind that some people can't understand that
we still have lots of great players who would love to play for and be the captain for the Flames.

"8 of our top employees have left our 23-person company!"

"Fool! There is nothing at all wrong, because look at these 15 that didn't leave!"

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by rollie619

Different room. Hubby has shown more leadership in Calgary than in Florida.

Out of 736 players in the NHL, Huby is the third most overpaid. So I guess he's a leader in being overpaid relative to his contributions, but I'm not sure that's exactly what the flames are looking for in a captain. And if they go through a rebuild, that's probably a contract they look at shedding like Karlson in San Jose.

So not only is Huby's tenure possibly not the same as his contract length, but he has that albatross of a contract hanging around his neck and will for the next 8 years. And based on last season, he's not great at dealing with pressure.

I totally get Huby is baking people cookies and hosting get togethers and making other players feel included...that all great stuff. My mom also does all that and she's the leader of our household. It's really great leadership skills. But I'm not sure it's enough. He probably actually needs to lead the team on the ice or the room.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Out of 736 players in the NHL, Huby is the third most overpaid. So I guess he's a leader in being overpaid relative to his contributions, but I'm not sure that's exactly what the flames are looking for in a captain. And if they go through a rebuild, that's probably a contract they look at shedding like Karlson in San Jose.

So not only is Huby's tenure possibly not the same as his contract length, but he has that albatross of a contract hanging around his neck and will for the next 8 years. And based on last season, he's not great at dealing with pressure.

I totally get Huby is baking people cookies and hosting get togethers and making other players feel included...that all great stuff. My mom also does all that and she's the leader of our household. It's really great leadership skills. But I'm not sure it's enough. He probably actually needs to lead the team on the ice or the room.

We've all experienced adversity. Let's see how Huberdeau handles his before jumping to conclusions and writing him off.

He didn't just forget how to generate offense. Barkov scored 16 less goals this year than the year before! Bennett started his time in FLA scoring 15pts in 10gp, thanks in large part to Huberdeau. Duclair went from 31G in 74GP to 2G in 20GP last season. I mean we have that player, he just had a tough year, and he will have every chance to bounce back.

[Leo]

Mark Stone…

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Out of 736 players in the NHL, Huby is the third most overpaid. So I guess he's a leader in being overpaid relative to his contributions, but I'm not sure that's exactly what the flames are looking for in a captain. And if they go through a rebuild, that's probably a contract they look at shedding like Karlson in San Jose.

So not only is Huby's tenure possibly not the same as his contract length, but he has that albatross of a contract hanging around his neck and will for the next 8 years. And based on last season, he's not great at dealing with pressure.

I totally get Huby is baking people cookies and hosting get togethers and making other players feel included...that all great stuff. My mom also does all that and she's the leader of our household. It's really great leadership skills. But I'm not sure it's enough. He probably actually needs to lead the team on the ice or the room.

He was paid $5.9M and scored 55 points last year (but just over PPG over the life of that contract). He wasn't overpaid. As for his upcoming one, there's zero evidence as to how much he's over or underpaid, since it only just started and there's been no games under it.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He was paid $5.9M and scored 55 points last year (but just over PPG over the life of that contract). He wasn't overpaid. As for his upcoming one, there's zero evidence as to how much he's over or underpaid, since it only just started and there's been no games under it.

Except it's still just year 1 of an 8 year deal that takes him until he's almost 40.
I'm more scared of the AAV as it relates to the term.

Same thing goes with Kadri, and to a lesser extent, Markstrom and Coleman. Maybe Lindholm if they extend him.

I almost wonder if these contracts are going to force a rebuild. If they do, then I don't care about how inefficient they.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Except it's still just year 1 of an 8 year deal that takes him until he's almost 40.
I'm more scared of the AAV as it relates to the term.

Same thing goes with Kadri, and to a lesser extent, Markstrom and Coleman. Maybe Lindholm if they extend him.

I almost wonder if these contracts are going to force a rebuild. If they do, then I don't care about how inefficient they.

There's plenty of reason to be concerned about the contract. But it's a fact he has yet to actually play a game under it, so "3rd most overpaid" seems a stretch.

It strikes me that a guy on a one way contract - even minimum NHL salary, playing in the AHL is more overpaid, since he's making 10 times what he normally would as an AHL player.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Out of 736 players in the NHL, Huby is the third most overpaid. So I guess he's a leader in being overpaid relative to his contributions, but I'm not sure that's exactly what the flames are looking for in a captain. And if they go through a rebuild, that's probably a contract they look at shedding like Karlson in San Jose.

So not only is Huby's tenure possibly not the same as his contract length, but he has that albatross of a contract hanging around his neck and will for the next 8 years. And based on last season, he's not great at dealing with pressure.

I totally get Huby is baking people cookies and hosting get togethers and making other players feel included...that all great stuff. My mom also does all that and she's the leader of our household. It's really great leadership skills. But I'm not sure it's enough. He probably actually needs to lead the team on the ice or the room.

Huby is not overpaid unless he repeats his dismal season this year.

[MissTeeks]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1692654765459857628

News at 11 lol.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Huby is not overpaid unless he repeats his dismal season this year.

I guess that Begs the question, what sort of production is worth 10.5M?

I would say if he gets under 80 points next season he is being seriously over paid. That's a 25 point improvement over last season.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

But it makes no sense that it was a factor because he went from a situation where he might have been captain to one where he's for sure not going to be.

I see it as a situation where in order to stay in Calgary, it would have been a carrot for him to do so. For a place like Florida, he doesn't need that carrot.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I guess that Begs the question, what sort of production is worth 10.5M?

I would say if he gets under 80 points next season he is being seriously over paid. That's a 25 point improvement over last season.

If you look at his season-by-season p/gp, that 115pt season was a MASSIVE spike relative to his career. I've run some numbers, and I firmly believe he's about an 86-89pt player right now at best. And that's not gonna go up as he gets older.

Great player, definitely an asset for any team (as long as he's used properly). Time will tell how ugly the price tag becomes, however. It's very possible that 10.5 becomes the going rate for mid to high 80 point perimeter players. We'll find out once the 5% annual increase starts kicking in.

[heep223]

Why is Blake Coleman never even mentioned in a discussion about the leadership of the team. Like not even a sniff, in the media or around here. He’s a vet but not super old, well spoken, appears to be in great shape and a hard worker, good with media, always speaks highly of his teammates and seems like a positive and thoughtful guy. Pretty consistently a 20 goal scorer. Oh yeah and he’s won a Stanley Cup.

I’m not necessarily saying he should be, but I’ve always wondered why he’s not even an afterthought in these discussions

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by heep223

Why is Blake Coleman never even mentioned in a discussion about the leadership of the team. Like not even a sniff, in the media or around here. He’s a vet but not super old, well spoken, appears to be in great shape and a hard worker, good with media, always speaks highly of his teammates and seems like a positive and thoughtful guy. Pretty consistently a 20 goal scorer. Oh yeah and he’s won a Stanley Cup.

I’m not necessarily saying he should be, but I’ve always wondered why he’s not even an afterthought in these discussions

First of all Coleman hasn't scored 20 since his time in NJ.

I'm sure Coleman is a part of the leadership group, but Backlund does everything Coleman does but better. Coleman simply doesn't impact the game enough to be considered a captain.

[jaikorven]

Also lately the fans are somewhat anti-American.

[PuckSlap]

Ovechkin. I feel like he would be a great captain, and I always thought he would make an awesome flame.



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[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Ovechkin. I feel like he would be a great captain, and I always thought he would make an awesome flame.



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This is the kind of outside the old boys club thinking we need to bring some hope back to the fan base.