2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[OutOfTheCube]

I think Kulich, Savoie, and Benson are untouchables. Ostlund and Rosen are realistic pieces I could see being part of a package.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I think Kulich, Savoie, and Benson are untouchables. Ostlund and Rosen are realistic pieces I could see being part of a package.

Which are still solid prospects. If the flames could get Ostlund + Rosen + 2024 first round pick (lottery protected), that’s a good return for Hanifin under the circumstances IMO. That’s two recent (2021 and 2022) former first round picks + another first round pick in the upcoming draft.


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[boogerz]

If the Red Wings and Sabres are playing hard ball right now, there's still no reason for Conroy to trade Hanifin for a subpar return (e.g. mediocre vet + 1st + b-tier prospect) for the sake of trading him before the season starts.

50% retained on Hanifin at the trade deadline opens up another few suitors that have enough cap space to take Hanifin without giving back salary and could use help bolstering their top4 defense - e.g. Devils, Jets, Wild, and Blue Jackets (if Werenski is still on IR).

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Hanifin is a legit top 2 defenceman whos still only 25.
I'd hope to god that any trade with Buffalo or Detroit included more than just 1 of their top 4 prospects... anything less is severely undervaluing an extended Hanifin.

Why are we assuming that we cant/shouldn't get a top prospect + again?
Both those teams would instantly slot Hanifin into their top 2, maybe Buffalo top 4 but still.

How often do teams trade their top prospects?
NJD was able to get Meier without doing it.

[FusionX]

I think if the Flames can be open about potential trades for pending UFAs throughout the season, there will be a market for all of them. Obviously you run the risk of injuries but so do other teams. I hope Conroy is countering crap offers with essentially "some team will pay what we're asking for, and it may be your rival down the line."

The worst thing to do now is any trade that makes us look desperate. All these guys are going to want to cash in so regardless of wanting out etc, will need to buy in and play hard. As long as Conroy remains committed to moving assets, there will be a market. Can you imagine any of Lindholm, Hanifin, Backlund at the TDL being available? Retain any cap and that's a ridiculous add for any contending team.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

In what world would he have signed a long term deal after his ELC or his 1 year deal ended? After ELC he had 2 very partial NHL seasons. 54 total games, 13 total points. Of course he got a one year deal then. His one year contract he had 32 points. Decent, and promising, but not world beating. So they signed a show me for two years. And he performed, leading to a negotiation in 2022 where his comparable in numbers was Kempe, who got about the same money.

After his ELC ended and he had 17 goals the Flames could have easily looked to sign him long term. After he followed it up with 18 goals the next season they again could have looked at a long term deal. That was strong production without PP time. And then he had a break out year, and they were forced to pay. But they definitely had two opportunities to consider a long-term deal.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Probably because they don’t want the distraction during season. I’m not sure what they will get for hanifin but I don’t think it’s going to be much more of a meh trade. Flames are kinda painted in a corner and teams know it.

That works when you have 1 team in the mix. If you don’t, then you are bidding against your competition… Sure, hold the line… it doesn’t necessarily mean the Flames are the ones who miss out.

[Hackey]

If Hanifin is a pure rental I can't see teams giving up a ton. It's just not worth it. They're better off keeping their prospects and trading for a player not quite as good. Buffalo and Detroit are knocking on the door of the playoffs so I think they can still be somewhat patient. Getting an extension is probably the only way to potentially get a high end piece but who knows if Hanifin even cares to talk extension.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How often do teams trade their top prospects?
NJD was able to get Meier without doing it.

Agreed, when Hanifin is traded,

Likely something like a 2nd, mid tier prospect and player.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by flambers

Agreed, when Hanifin is traded,

Likely something like a 2nd, mid tier prospect and player.

Girgensons, Ostlund and lottery protected 1st

for

Hanifin and Vladar

Buffalo needs a goalie and a quality dman. They would be giving up nothing that matters from their team and they have $6 mil cap space to do this deal.

This save the Flames $4.65 mil and is a big upgarde to our picks and prospect pool. Kylington and Wolf slide in nicely to replace the players.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by flambers

Agreed, when Hanifin is traded,

Likely something like a 2nd, mid tier prospect and player.

Ie

DET 2nd
Wallinder/Mazur
Maata

[Paulie Walnuts]

Why do we want Maata I thought he was bad? Is this to help for cap purposes?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Why do we want Maata I thought he was bad? Is this to help for cap purposes?

Because if the Flames move Hanifin they’ll need someone to step in and play LD. And Mataa actually played pretty well last season (DET extended him for two more years last season after half a season on the roster). Also, for cap purposes.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Probably because they don’t want the distraction during season. I’m not sure what they will get for hanifin but I don’t think it’s going to be much more of a meh trade. Flames are kinda painted in a corner and teams know it.

Teams in the summer have a full roster but all it takes is an injury and the Flames hold the cards. Obviously there is the same risk with Hanifin if he gets hurt the Flames could be screwed but I think Conroy has set a price for Hanifin and is not interested in doing a deal in the summer unless he gets what he wants.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Why do we want Maata I thought he was bad? Is this to help for cap purposes?

Detroit doesn't need a cap dump for this trade. Flames fans include him because they enjoy torture.

Rasmussen, Wallander( or pellika) and a 2nd that becomes a 1zt if they win a round. That'd be my ask.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by flambers

Agreed, when Hanifin is traded,

Likely something like a 2nd, mid tier prospect and player.

Worse players are traded for more at the deadline. If it is not a top prospect then it has to be a 1st coming back. By top prospect I mean a reasonable organizations 3-5 best prospect not their top 2.

It would be like the Flames giving up Pelletier/Zary+1st+cap for a mid 20’s top pairing D/top 6 C or top line wing who is in their mid-20’s and they hope to sign long term. Not unreasonable at all

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Because if the Flames move Hanifin they’ll need someone to step in and play LD. And Mataa actually played pretty well last season (DET extended him for two more years last season after half a season on the roster). Also, for cap purposes.

Kylington is back don't think we need to add dead cap space for a guy who is up and down. Would rather a take shot on our own players.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Lol this Andrew Mangiapane is the best breadman on Twitter stealing rumours from here and passing it off as his own

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How often do teams trade their top prospects?
NJD was able to get Meier without doing it.

Meier also brought in a 1st and a 2nd (with condition to upgrade to a 1st if NJ hits the 3rd round this year, which actually looks like a good bet). On top of that they received former 1st round and 2nd round prospects.

Hanifin coming with an 8 year extension (as reported is on the table), you'd hope would bring in around that. Flames should be offering retained salary to sweeten.

[Bonded]

Yeah. If it all the offers are crappy roster player, mid tier prospect, and a second. Why bother. They’d get it at the deadline