Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

As a Trudeau supporter, do you really want to bring up costumes?

/green

Why is it that anyone who disagrees with a person who will only vote conservative is immediately labelled as a Trudeau supporter?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

As a Trudeau supporter, do you really want to bring up costumes?

/green

Who's a Trudeau supporter? I've said many times it's time for him to go. I think finding an actual Trudeau supporter these days is harder than finding the grail.

[Doctorfever]

Just a joke Fuzz.

I guess we will see who is a Trudeau supporter at the next election.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Just a joke Fuzz.

I guess we will see who is a Trudeau supporter at the next election.

Hoping at least one party can come up with someone we can vote for. Not looking good right now.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Who's a Trudeau supporter? I've said many times it's time for him to go. I think finding an actual Trudeau supporter these days is harder than finding the grail.

and yet the CPC can't find a leader or platform that appeals enough to win the election

pretty ####ing damning

[Locke]

Keep it up guys and you're heading to Baffin Island...

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Hoping at least one party can come up with someone we can vote for. Not looking good right now.

If the election was today, who do you vote for?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

If the election was today, who do you vote for?

Being that I live in Alberta in a riding that is gauranted to go blue, it doesn't matter who I vote for so I'd generally have to look at which ideas I support the most. I still always vote, but I understand the realities of our system and my vote not mattering. So if a local candidate, or some good ideas come out at the time, I'd lean that way. I know that's not the answer you are looking for, but with our limited info right now since we aren't in an election, it's tough to say.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

If the election was today, who do you vote for?

Not that you asked me, but I'm going to answer anyway: at this point I would very seriously consider just foregoing casting a ballot for anyone. They're all horrible:

• The Liberals line up closest with my social beliefs, but I have huge problems with their lack of accountability for their spending programs—it is absolutely, positively unacceptable to me that Freeland as FM couldn't/wouldn't account for billions in Covid-related spending in the last couple fiscal years. I also do somewhat sympathize with right-wingers' loathing of the "woke" bull#### that Liberals have peddled in the last eight years. (I would agree with the right a lot more about this if they could/would discern the actual hypocritical "woke" #### from... whatever it is they happen to allegedly not like about... whatever random crap they call "woke".) The Liberals are masters at pandering to regionalism and creating social-policy strawmen (and it's made soooooo much easier for them by ineffectual Conservative opposition), and I absolutely detest it. Justin Trudeau really does come across as a "Laurentian elite" trust-fund kid who thinks that his party is "the natural-governing" one, and while I think he's way out of his depth at policy-making he/his team are extremely adept at playing social liberals like fiddles while spending like drunken Conservatives on a smattering of BS programs that few if any of us can feel any palpable results from. I do honestly believe that there are a great many politically-connected people making a lot of graft off of this government, and it's gross.
  
• The Conservatives have gone off the deep end with conspiratorial whackadoodle gibberish. I don't think the party leadership believes in it, but they've stoked the belief in it in a cross-section of gullible rubes who've taken over the party's grassroots base, and now they've made this pact with the devil such that the party leadership feel like they have to act like kooks in order to keep this utterly insane voter base satisfied. I honestly believe they're fascists in waiting, and wouldn't trust them to run a popsicle stand. Everything bad about Justin Trudeau is just as bad or worse with Pierre Poillievre.
  
• The NDP have carved off their little niche of voters, and I don't think they have the chops to steal more from anyone. They've got a lot of seemingly good and nice policy positions in their platform, but I don't believe have any real ability to effect them even if they won. I think deep down Jagmeet Singh is a pragmatist who realizes this, but he's milquetoast leader who inspires no one.
  
• The Greens are a comedy of self-inflicted errors, nothing more. Just a trainwreck that's fun to watch. They're what the NDP would be if they let the looney left wing run the show. As I see it their continued existence serves little purpose, because the Liberals and NDP have incorporated the only salient positions the Greens ever had regarding the environment.
  
• Maxime Bernier's People's Party is just the right-wing equivalent of the Greens: the home for disaffected Conservative voters who are too crazy even for the CPC.
  

[Fuzz]

I was holding out hope for one of the fringe parties with one really interesting platform point. Like free waffles for those born in a longitude evenly divisible by 7.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I was holding out hope for one of the fringe parties with one really interesting platform point. Like free waffles for those born in a longitude evenly divisible by 7.

Send your proposal to the Rhinos and they will add it to the policy book. They are very good at listening to the electorate.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

and yet the CPC can't find a leader or platform that appeals enough to win the election

pretty ####ing damning

Poilievre, for all his warts that we so often hear about by non-partisan posters, is currently polling at majority level numbers.

https://338canada.com/federal.htm

They are nearing Trudeau 2015 numbers.

When the country is in crisis as a result of disastrous Liberal-NDP coalition policies without an obvious wedge issue available to fan the flames, we have pieces like the one recently being displayed in desperate vain. Unfortunately, as more and more Canadians are unable to make rent payment and mortgage payments, real issues start being prevalent.

It's not so much that they deserve to win (they are clearly doing everything they can to fight it) so much as the current Liberal-NDP champagne socialism telling Canadians to cut Disney+ is wearing thin fast and causing Canadians to look elsewhere that may help them.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Poilievre, for all his warts that we so often hear about by non-partisan posters, is currently polling at majority level numbers.

https://338canada.com/federal.htm

They are nearing Trudeau 2015 numbers.

When the country is in crisis as a result of disastrous Liberal-NDP coalition policies without an obvious wedge issue available to fan the flames, we have pieces like the one recently being displayed in desperate vain. Unfortunately, as more and more Canadians are unable to make rent payment and mortgage payments, real issues start being prevalent.

It's not so much that they deserve to win (they are clearly doing everything they can to fight it) so much as the current Liberal-NDP champagne socialism telling Canadians to cut Disney+ is wearing thin fast and causing Canadians to look elsewhere that may help them.

The good news is that there should not be an election until 2025 so there is lots of time for things to turn around.

[Fuzz]

Anyone pumping Pierre's tires with summer, mid term national level polling numbers is really spending too mcuh time riding the wishful thinking train. These numbers aren't relevant at all. And I'm not saying the CPC won't win come real election time. Just that it's way too soon, too many unknowns, nobody cares right now, etc.


Pretty sure the CPC was polling higher than Trudeau before the previous election that nobody wanted, and it would doom Trudeau for calling it etc...and look how that turned out.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The good news is that there should not be an election until 2025 so there is lots of time for things to turn around.

Ah yes, because 8 years and 3 elections campaigns on affordable housing was clearly not enough time.

[Ozy_Flame]

Let's be clear, the polling numbers are reflecting a governing party that is at its expiration date, which is not unlike previous governments. Nine years is a long time and people are looking for a change. We're also in a disastrous housing market that would sink any sitting government.

It has nothing to do with the appeal of a dog-whistling career politician who rubs shoulders with far-right ideologues and south-of-the-border conspiracy theories.

PP just happens to be in the right place at the right time. Much like the UCP were when oil prices improved.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Anyone pumping Pierre's tires with summer, mid term national level polling numbers is really spending too mcuh time riding the wishful thinking train. These numbers aren't relevant at all. And I'm not saying the CPC won't win come real election time. Just that it's way too soon, too many unknowns, nobody cares right now, etc.


Pretty sure the CPC was polling higher than Trudeau before the previous election that nobody wanted, and it would doom Trudeau for calling it etc...and look how that turned out.

Trudeau's desperate cabinet shuffle was not done on a whim.

You would also be very incorrect and very revisionist about the bolded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...deral_election

Liberals were consistently polling in majority territory in July - Aug 2021 getting a push with covid and vaccines, precisely causing Liberals to call a pointless election in the middle of a pandemic for pure political gain.

That the Liberals managed to piss off Canadians so much that Conservative even got a dark horse chance of a win (until the Kenney disaster) is a testament to their arrogance.

Today's polling is far more consistent and far more scary for Liberals. Canadians aren't choosing Poilievre, they are choosing anyone but Liberals / Trudeau.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Let's be clear, the polling numbers are reflecting a governing party that is at its expiration date, which is not unlike previous governments. Nine years is a long time and people are looking for a change. We're also in a disastrous housing market that would sink any sitting government.

It has nothing to do with the appeal of a dog-whistling career politician who rubs shoulders with far-right ideologues and south-of-the-border conspiracy theories.

PP just happens to be in the right place at the right time. Much like the UCP were when oil prices improved.

I am in full agreement. See Argentine a traditionally socialist country who just elected a far right party in protest due to their economy imploding.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Poilievre, for all his warts that we so often hear about by non-partisan posters, is currently polling at majority level numbers.

https://338canada.com/federal.htm

They are nearing Trudeau 2015 numbers.

Unfortunately he's also nearing Andrew Scheer numbers from 6-7 months before the 2019 election when the Conservatives were polling in the high 30s to low 40s.

Obviously the Conservatives would be the heavy favorites if an election happened now, and probably the odds-on favorites no matter when an election happens given the Liberals' long tenure. But things can change rapidly.

[opendoor]

I also find it funny how immigration is a hot point right now, but the Conservatives have basically no intention of reducing immigration. Because they too understand the necessity of growing our labor force if we want to be able to afford healthcare, CPP, OAS without significant tax increases.

If they play it right, they may be able to benefit from a reaction against a policy that they'd also implement. They'd basically just need to keep quiet about it other than spouting a few empty platitudes about it being "broken" and it'll probably work.