Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[timun]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

After taking an hour or so to reflect on this post, it struck me how normalized this behaviour has become, particularly in this thread. On any given day, anyone of a dozen or so of CP’s ‘Perennial Posters’ will show up, level an unprovoked ad hominem’, usually at Yoho, and think nothing of it. The mods never sanction anyone and the discourse continues corrode.

Being called out for making a false or exaggerated statement isn't an ad hominem.

Current state: a left-wing (cloaked in progressivism, in good measure) fire hose of invective. It’s a joke really.

Calling out bull#### for being bull#### is not an insult, it's just the truth. That a lot of the bull#### tends to be "right wing" doesn't make the response "a left-wing fire hose of invective": it's merely the fire hose of reality dousing the flames of nonsense.

[iggy_oi]

I remember a time when people would go over the top with their criticism of the political beliefs of certain posters and instead of playing the victim those posters would just continue to post what they wanted to post.

[Fuzz]

He seems to be upset cow patties are being identified as such. "Oh, the discourse is corroding!" he cries, as he fails to answer perfectly reasonable queries like this:

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...ostcount=14084

and this:

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...ostcount=14089

That's the problem. Any time actual evidence is requested, it's ghost town around here. Which validates that the complaints about this #### government and the morons who voted for them are completely valid. And to use Yoho as an example of being bullied, LO ####ing L. He never has an answer for anything. Is that corroding the discourse around here? Just dumping trashy links from racist bigoted organizations and individuals? Ya, awesome point, man.

[PostandIn]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I remember a time when people would go over the top with their criticism of the political beliefs of certain posters and instead of playing the victim those posters would just continue to post what they wanted to post.

Quote one thing that indicates a personal pity party. Just one. I made a comment on the tenure of debate in this thread, after being called a liar. You chose to personalize it. I guess the attacked is the attacker in your world.


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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

After taking an hour or so to reflect on this post, it struck me how normalized this behaviour has become, particularly in this thread. On any given day, anyone of a dozen or so of CP’s ‘Perennial Posters’ will show up, level an unprovoked ad hominem’, usually at Yoho, and think nothing of it. The mods never sanction anyone and the discourse continues corrode. Current state: a left-wing (cloaked in progressivism, in good measure) fire hose of invective. It’s a joke really. This place is very far removed from the CP of Cowperson and peak Troutman. But, carry on. Did you know that Andrew Scheer is personally pro-life?


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https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...46b5902b4/amp/

Federal government backs nuclear with $970M investment in Ontario small reactor project

You said the Federal government

Originally Posted by PostandIn

thinks we can transition from fossil fuels to renewables with no role for nuclear

So it is not an ad hominem attack, you just either lied or were ignorant to the obvious truth that the federal government has vocally said that nuclear plays a prominent role in the transition to net zero. Arguably the federal liberals are the biggest supporters of nuclear of any political party in Canada.

I apologize if you are just woefully ignorant about energy issues and the federal government’s support of nuclear if you did not lie. I meant no malice.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

Pretty brave calling people liars. Check your comprehension. It is the position of the Minster of the Environment.


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And the position of the Minister of Finance and the Minister of Industry (ISED) according to you. Maybe the all powerful Ministers of Seniors is supportive and that is why the federal government is a strong supporter of nuclear energy.

[PostandIn]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He seems to be upset cow patties are being identified as such. "Oh, the discourse is corroding!" he cries, as he fails to answer perfectly reasonable queries like this:

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...ostcount=14084

and this:

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...ostcount=14089

That's the problem. Any time actual evidence is requested, it's ghost town around here. Which validates that the complaints about this #### government and the morons who voted for them are completely valid. And to use Yoho as an example of being bullied, LO ####ing L. He never has an answer for anything. Is that corroding the discourse around here? Just dumping trashy links from racist bigoted organizations and individuals? Ya, awesome point, man.

Sorry Fuzz - you blew your brains out with the Good Faith response.


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[BlackArcher101]

Wish people like this would just go back to the Calgary Herald comment section. Did they shut that down recently or something?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

Quote one thing that indicates a personal pity party. Just one.

You’re the boss:

Originally Posted by PostandIn

After taking an hour or so to reflect on this post, it struck me how normalized this behaviour has become, particularly in this thread. On any given day, anyone of a dozen or so of CP’s ‘Perennial Posters’ will show up, level an unprovoked ad hominem’, usually at Yoho, and think nothing of it. The mods never sanction anyone and the discourse continues corrode. Current state: a left-wing (cloaked in progressivism, in good measure) fire hose of invective. It’s a joke really. This place is very far removed from the CP of Cowperson and peak Troutman. But, carry on. Did you know that Andrew Scheer is personally pro-life?


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I made a comment on the tenure of debate in this thread, after being called a liar. You chose to personalize it. I guess the attacked is the attacker in your world.

Actually I was just making a general comment but if you feel the need to make it all about you fill your boots. Basically I’m just saying people should quit being such cry babies when people take issue with what they post because it’s not that difficult.

[timun]

Right-wingers are such snowflakes.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by timun

Right-wingers are such snowflakes.

I think it would actually be difficult to find a better example of this than someone coming in hot and bothered, saying something dumb and being corrected and, instead of just admitting they made something up, taking an hour to reflect upon a post on the internet and coming to the conclusion that everybody else is just wrong and mean lol.

Just baby-soft.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by timun

Right-wingers are such snowflakes.

I like counting number of posts it takes before they play the victim. It's usually under three.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Electricity should never have been deregulated.

What exactly is the alternative? It's not like there was ever an Alberta Hydro that was broken up and sold off.

The only thing that was 'deregulated' was that the province stopped mandating the price of power and flowed the true costs through to consumers.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What is your point? Do you find the premier's reaction reasonable, or extreme? Would Alberta be better joining the conversation, or acting like a toddler?

It's worse than that, she's actually lying about the state of affairs.

Kineticor is in the process of commissioning a 900 MW gas generator that should be online in November.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1689280785755275264

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by timun

Being called out for making a false or exaggerated statement isn't an ad hominem.
.

Posters can (and do) post false and exaggerated statements on this forum all the time. In every political thread, every day. The great majority pass without comment. They only get called out and dogpiled when they express unpopular falsehoods and exaggerations. The popular bull#### posts are treated as light-hearted fun, and anyone who complains about them is taking this whole forum way too seriously.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

What exactly is the alternative? It's not like there was ever an Alberta Hydro that was broken up and sold off.

The only thing that was 'deregulated' was that the province stopped mandating the price of power and flowed the true costs through to consumers.

True costs or what the market will bear? Plenty of chatter that providers are holding back capacity to get top dollar.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by edslunch

True costs or what the market will bear? Plenty of chatter that providers are holding back capacity to get top dollar.

Correct. Economic withholding is a thing now, but that has more to do with the PPAs going away than it does with the market design itself.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Correct. Economic withholding is a thing now, but that has more to do with the PPAs going away than it does with the market design itself.

Can PPAs be brought back or some other mechanism? The current situation seems unhealthy for the consumer.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Can PPAs be brought back or some other mechanism? The current situation seems unhealthy for the consumer.

Not in the near term. Once the Kineticor plant comes online I would expect that power prices will stabilize, and maybe then someone would take the other side of the bet.

I don't know what the solution is right now short of building a butt load of transmission.

[PostandIn]

Originally Posted by timun

Right-wingers are such snowflakes.

This thread continues to be high comedy. I guess your view is, Timun, that anyone who isn’t lock step with you is a ‘Right winger’. I hold a ton of liberal views (climate change, minority right name it, I’m pretty liberal). I dislike the UPC and all of their leaders since Lougheed (who you probably have no reference point for), both for a great many of their policy positions and the cynical, and frequently mean-spirited way they do politics. It’s the same criticism I make of the current federal Liberals who, unbelievably, are even more cynical and petty than Jason Kenney at his worst.


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