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Old 08-10-2023, 12:28 PM   #14041
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Alberta government figures suggest about 10,000 people work in solar and wind installation. Although that figure is dwarfed by fossil fuel employment, jobs in renewables are estimated to be growing at about 10 per cent a year, while oil and gas jobs have been declining for years.

In early 2022, there were 3,425 unfilled positions in the industry.

"I don't know what their thinking is," Da Silva said. "But I don't think it's fair to ask people to not work and to basically shut down the industry for six months."

Da Silva said the effect of the pause is likely to last much longer, as both the pause itself and the uncertainty of its result will affect planning for next year's construction season and beyond. It comes as other jurisdictions in Canada and the United States are ramping up their renewable energy.
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Just an amazingly incompetent move. Does Smith expect these workers to take EI? She's destroyed their livelihoods with zero notice, and will probably cause some companies to go under. But I guess when you let Rob Anderson dictate policy, this is what happens. How anyone, let alone a dyed in the wool market Conservative could defend this stupidity is ####ing baffling.


These companies probably have a pretty good case to sue the government for loses at this point.
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Just an amazingly incompetent move. Does Smith expect these workers to take EI? She's destroyed their livelihoods with zero notice, and will probably cause some companies to go under. But I guess when you let Rob Anderson dictate policy, this is what happens. How anyone, let alone a dyed in the wool market Conservative could defend this stupidity is ####ing baffling.


These companies probably have a pretty good case to sue the government for loses at this point.
Have they thought about just thanking her later?
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just an amazingly incompetent move. Does smith expect these workers to take ei? She's destroyed their livelihoods with zero notice, and will probably cause some companies to go under. But i guess when you let rob anderson dictate policy, this is what happens. How anyone, let alone a dyed in the wool market conservative could defend this stupidity is ####ing baffling.


These companies probably have a pretty good case to sue the government for loses at this point.
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Yes, because renewable energy is definitely a dying industry. Do you even think before you post? I guess most of them are just twitter spam so probably not.
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Source?

Genuinely curious.

Like I said, if the grid can’t handle it, then the grid can’t handle it. I wouldn’t know where to look for this information.
For a dispassionate, non-partisan assessment, I would suggest tracking the Quarterly and Annual Reports put out by the Market Surveillance Administrator (MSA).

In the Q1 2023 report, they outline a combination of factors that require addressing if Alberta is going to continue putting more VRE generation on the system.

Yes, the congestion and storage requirements are problems, but perhaps the largest problem is how we handle forward pricing.

Generators are permitted to set their own price on providing the stabilizing power required to balance a renewable heavy grid. And we ain't even that renewable heavy yet!

"The ability of companies to exercise market power was lower in Q1 2023 relative to Q3 2022 and Q4 2022, in part because of mild temperatures and increased wind and solar generation. Some larger suppliers continued to exercise market power in Q1 2023. One supplier withheld a large amount of capacity by pricing it above $900/MWh regardless of market conditions. Another supplier generally offered large amounts of capacity between $700 and $900/MWh when market conditions were tighter."
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"As documented previously in this section the increase in wind and solar generation means that:
• there will be higher ramping requirements in the future,
• there will be more thermal generation capacity commercially offline, and
• larger wind and solar forecast errors will occur more often.

As a result, the scale of investment in wind and solar generation has implications for how efficiently resources are allocated in the electricity market under the existing ISO rules."

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"This calls into question whether the existing ISO rules, which were developed in the past based on the prevailing understanding and expectations, remain ideal in the face of changing technology. As a general matter, there is no reason why they need to be so and the flexible nature of the electricity market, including the ability to change these rules within the market construct itself, makes plain that some degree of change and adaptation is expected to occur.

As documented above, the production profile of wind and solar generation impacts the nature of the net demand that must be satisfied by other generators. These impacts are readily visible in the electricity market and will grow in the future.

In the short run (when installed generation capacity is effectively fixed), wind and solar capacity lowers the pool price when it is producing. However, this impacts the commitment decisions that large thermal generators make on a day-to-day basis which affect sequences of hours irrespective of realized wind and solar production.

The reduction in committed thermal supply can offset the impact of additional wind and solar production, though disentangling this effect from the exercise of market power is not a trivial undertaking."

MSA Q1 2023 Report (105 pages, mixed text & graphs)

MSA Q1 2023 Presentation (47 Slides)

It's pretty simple.

The lowest cost kWh in the system is NOT the marginal unit. The marginal unit is the NEXT UNIT REQUIRED. When we allow the supplier of that unit to have discretionary control of when to release capacity into a system signaling demand, how is anyone on earth shocked that the supplier will choose to wait a little and withhold their stuff until a buyer is willing to pay infinity dollars?

Like someone said, these aren't potatoes that you just go to another store for. These are the guys on the side of a road in a heat wave or evacuation, charging $250 for a bottle of water.

And guess what, this gets worse as the duck curve gets deeper. Alberta has it's own duck now. When you factor in the capacity that is in application queue, it resembles California. (Slides 12 & 15).

Costs up.
Emission Intensity flat.
Land use way up.

Sorry, but I'd rather have a society that recognizes energy as the base currency and primary input into the entire machine. I don't give a flying F that a small handful of generators and line owners get to make insane returns if that means that people suffer in normal conditions, die in severe conditions, and everyone downstream who uses the power to DO THINGS is doing less total, and the output they do perform has lost a tremendous amount of relative value. Those producers can and will leave. This is a severely BAD trade.



The moratorium is necessary. Not because of the rebuildables themselves, but because the system is busted in a way that allowing the in queue projects online will have a severe impact in the short term. That bleeding needs to stop.

But the fun won't end there. It's demonstrable that this is the effect high VRE penetration has on markets of all types. MOST markets experience increases in real household prices when VREs are built out. MOST VRE buildouts never exceed ~35%, which seems to imply some kind of practical limitation.



AND, best of all... All of this over a tiny SLIVER of our actual fuel type consumption. We barely use any electricity at all in this province, compared to the elephant in the room: natty. Electricity is roughly 274 PJ annually, natural gas is 10x that at 2,340 PJ. Refined pet products clock in the middle at 1,370 PJ.

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Leach is protesting too much these days. His policy advice has led to poor outcomes, and instead of coming clean and correcting the errors, he's reinforcing his position and setting snark phasers to maximum. Not a good look IMO.
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“The draft federal 2035 net-zero power grid regulations are unconstitutional, irresponsible and do not align with Alberta’s emissions reduction and energy development plan that works towards a carbon-neutral power grid by 2050.

“These regulations make desperately needed investments in new natural gas generation almost impossible. If implemented in Alberta, these regulations would endanger the reliability of Alberta’s power grid and cause massive increases in Albertans’ power bills.

“Alberta’s government will protect Albertans from these unconstitutional federal net-zero regulations. They will not be implemented in our province – period.

“One of the only positives at this point is that these are ‘draft’ regulations and Alberta is about to commence a working group with the federal government to discuss how to bring Ottawa’s efforts to decarbonize the economy in line with Alberta’s Emissions Reduction and Energy Development Plan.

“If this alignment is not achieved, Alberta will chart its own path to ensuring we have additional reliable and affordable electricity brought onto our power grid that is available 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

“This will be accomplished by ensuring an appropriate amount of high-efficiency natural gas base load is added to the grid while incentivizing carbon capture, utilization and storage (CCUS) abated natural gas generation, small modular reactors, hydrogen generation and a sustainable amount of wind, solar and other renewables to drive down electricity costs.

“Albertans and our government care deeply about responsible environmental stewardship. We are confident Alberta’s plan will get us to a reliable and affordable carbon-neutral power grid by 2050.

“This is the direction Alberta is going. We invite the federal government to support us, rather than hinder us, in doing so.”
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Saying it's unconstitutional doesn't make it so.
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It’s on!!
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You can just see old Stevie G in Ottawa getting twisted reading this.

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You can just see old Stevie G in Ottawa getting twisted reading this.
Thankfully the success the government saw fighting the Carbon Tax will help.
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Thankfully the success the government saw fighting the Carbon Tax will help.
Maybe Smith's government can take them to court on lose on this one, too.


What I find most frustrating is that they don't even pretend to have discussions. Everything is a hard line in the oilsands. This is not at all how governments are supposed to work. Yet this clown show is celebrated by utter morons who's only skills are donning blue face paint every 4 years and greifing the actual experts who understand why these decisions are so poor.
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Maybe Smith's government can take them to court on lose on this one, too.


What I find most frustrating is that they don't even pretend to have discussions. Everything is a hard line in the oilsands. This is not at all how governments are supposed to work. Yet this clown show is celebrated by utter morons who's only skills are donning blue face paint every 4 years and greifing the actual experts who understand why these decisions are so poor.
This is the only language Ottawa understands.
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This is the only language Ottawa understands.
Do they, though? Alberta runs this game every so often, and always looks like losers after. If it works so well, give some examples. If it doesn't, don't reply.
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When they say they won't be implemented here, do they realize that this will likely prevent any industry in the province from accessing federal ITC programs for projects here?
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Winning in court is the only Language they understand?

It seems like the people who don't understand language (especially regarding the constitution) are the ones in downtown Edmonton.
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They couldn't have given her a shorter podium?
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Yes, because renewable energy is definitely a dying industry. Do you even think before you post? I guess most of them are just twitter spam so probably not.
See, here's the problem: You are treating someone who is not a serious person as though they are a serious person and therefore deserving of being taken seriously... this despite aaaaaaaaall indications and evidence to suggest the reverse is true.
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