Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by belsarius

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Tron gives an actual counter argument which is ignored to focus on this one.

Why don't you reply to the actual arguments if you don't like the drive-by's.

Yet somehow there are still posters that don't think it's an intentional troll job

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Keean Bexte is still a thing?

That's unfortunate

He has hundreds of thousands of Twitter followers and hawks subscriptions - if you’re willing to pay for more billsh1t.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I was going to say that Cory Morgan was the biggest loser in the province, but then you came and posted Keean Bexte as a reminder to us all that there are levels below rock bottom.

Regardless who posts it it’s the Premier speaking.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1689643812405305344

Nice to see an adult running the Province not a pandering lap dog to the Federal government.
This is the liberals worst nightmare.
You can thank her later.

I am sure the Libs are scared about running against Danielle Smith in the 905. She is super popular in the rest of the country. Sure she lost the cities in Alberta and only formed government on the back of rural Alberta but the Libs are scared ####less of how popular she is in Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal.

[Monahammer]

https://twitter.com/andrew_leach/sta...862308864?s=20

The argument that the power companies were forced into converting too early from Coal to NG is also ####ing idiotic. The companies took advantage of grants to enter more efficient and profitable generation methods AHEAD OF THE MANDATED SCHEDULE THEMSELVES.

[PepsiFree]

Imagine having such a submissive kink toward Danielle Smith that you thank her just for speaking lol

Hard to stomach the idea of what you’d unearth by digging into Yoho’s mommy issues.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Great counter argument.

He isn't wrong.

Electricity should never have been deregulated. It isn't a commodity that can be transported so it's not like you can just go get it somewhere else like a bag of potatoes when you run low on it. It also takes years to build out generation, and there are only 2 major retailers in the province that are owned by municipalities who just happen to control a large portion of the generation capacity. It was (and still is) a "Made in Alberta" conservative oligopoly.

It is a flawed system built by Klein's conservatives. Period. So any conservative who is now complaining about what THEY built is an absolute, abject moron.

If you want to start chasing "culprits" for high prices in this moment then chase the cities for charging obscene access fees and retailers who own generation capacity for price gouging. But hey, that would mean REGULATING the industry again and we all know that's not "mah freedom" so as far as I'm concerned, STFU if you don't like the bed you made.

[Doctorfever]

I don’t know anything about the provincial power grid, but if what they are saying is true, and the growth of renewables has outpaced the grid’s abilities to handle it, then we must pause.

But, again, I don’t know how the grid operates and how it deals with spikes from windy days, etc.

This doesn’t need to be political in my eyes, unless there was some real mistakes made by government allowing more renewable energy than the grid is equipped to handle.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I don’t know anything about the provincial power grid, but if what they are saying is true, and the growth of renewables has outpaced the grid’s abilities to handle it, then we must pause.

But, again, I don’t know how the grid operates and how it deals with spikes from windy days, etc.

This doesn’t need to be political in my eyes, unless there was some real mistakes made by government allowing more renewable energy than the grid is equipped to handle.

Uhm, I've got some news for you...

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Not quite
https://www.power-eng.com/coal/alber...-be-coal-free/

“ But in 2015, Rachel Notley's Alberta NDP government accelerated the phase-out of the province's six youngest coal units, owned by TransAlta, ATCO, and Capital Power. The provincial government also announced it would align with the Federal government's 2030 target to phase out coal altogether.”

Well, for the first time ever Yoho tried to respond to someone's post.
Not surprisingly, he responds with something that is an entirely different topic than the post he was replying to.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I don’t know anything about the provincial power grid, but if what they are saying is true, and the growth of renewables has outpaced the grid’s abilities to handle it, then we must pause.

But, again, I don’t know how the grid operates and how it deals with spikes from windy days, etc.

This doesn’t need to be political in my eyes, unless there was some real mistakes made by government allowing more renewable energy than the grid is equipped to handle.

It 100% is political. Smith and Schultz are saying scenery, conservatives are saying farmland, gaslighters are saying reliability, and populists across the board are saying good job.

There is no rhyme or reason. And it will come at the expense of jobs, projects, and millions upon millions of invested and future capital.

Just an unbelievable boondoggle of a decision. Gophers with brain parasites could have done better.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I don’t know anything about the provincial power grid, but if what they are saying is true, and the growth of renewables has outpaced the grid’s abilities to handle it, then we must pause.

Post a link to that, I'd like to read it.

"the grid" can handle it. If it couldn't we would have rolling brownouts across the province on days of high demand, which we don't.

The only thing that would hold back renewables would be tie in capacity. It's been a while, but last time I was involved that had been built out.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Uhm, I've got some news for you...

Source?

Genuinely curious.

Like I said, if the grid can’t handle it, then the grid can’t handle it. I wouldn’t know where to look for this information.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

It 100% is political. Smith and Schultz are saying scenery, conservatives are saying farmland, gaslighters are saying reliability, and populists across the board are saying good job.

There is no rhyme or reason. And it will come at the expense of jobs, projects, and millions upon millions of invested and future capital.

Just an unbelievable boondoggle of a decision. Gophers with brain parasites could have done better.

It'll be interesting to see what the "Notley introduced too much uncertainty with the royalty review" crowd have to say about this one.

Smith just put the brakes on Billions of ongoing/future investment.
But I guess that's the crux right there. Technically killing it doesn't make it uncertain.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Post a link to that, I'd like to read it.

"the grid" can handle it. If it couldn't we would have rolling brownouts across the province on days of high demand, which we don't.

The only thing that would hold back renewables would be tie in capacity. It's been a while, but last time I was involved that had been built out.

This is exactly what information I am looking for as well. Like I said, it don’t know.

[The Fisher Account]

Posting ANYTHING from Keenan Bexte should be a bannable offense

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Not quite
https://www.power-eng.com/coal/alber...-be-coal-free/

“ But in 2015, Rachel Notley's Alberta NDP government accelerated the phase-out of the province's six youngest coal units, owned by TransAlta, ATCO, and Capital Power. The provincial government also announced it would align with the Federal government's 2030 target to phase out coal altogether.”

From your article:

"In mid-2017, ATCO and TransAlta—the two biggest coal power producers in Alberta—announced plans to convert their coal units to natural gas. ATCO planned to make the swicth by 2020, and TransAlta planned to do the same by the end of 2023. ATCO ultimately chose to sell all its Canadian-based fossil-fuel assets, including nine units in Alberta."

or

"Even as recently as March 2019, coal plants provided 35% of the province’s electricity. But Alberta Associate Minister of Natural Gas and Electricity Dale Nally said that over the past two years, around 5,000 MW – or 30% — of the installed coal-fired capacity was either converted to natural gas or retired altogether."

The NDP incentivised the conversion of coal generation to nat gas. Trying to make it sound like they walked in and simply shut plants down is hilariously incorrect. When this was going down I worked with a subsidiary of Babcock Power on some of the conversions in the USA and in Canada where the ones that were retired were either too inefficient to be converted or were past their life cycles. Some are also still running btw.

This isn't an NDP problem, it isn't a Trudeau problem.

It's a deregulation problem that was CREATED by conservatives.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

This is exactly what information I am looking for as well. Like I said, it don’t know.

Where did you hear "the grid can't handle renewables"?

It can. It HAS to. If the grid can't handle generation capacity delivery (meaning we can't get power "sent" to consumers) it's a delivery infrastructure failure. It isn't a generation failure.

The problem right now IMO is a lack of generation. And in a deregulated market, that means the people making the product (power producers) aren't making enough of it to go around so the price spikes.

Which is fine if you're selling a commodity like gold or oil or gas etc and you can buy it somewhere else and transport it (or simply not use it), but it's a BIG problem when you can't get an essential amount of power anywhere else and people freeze to death because of it.

Which is why it should have never been deregulated.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Regardless who posts it it’s Dear Leader speaking.

It's all Fotze's fault anyways for introducing CP to Yoho and his deplorable wife because her last name had Anus in it....

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Where did you hear "the grid can't handle renewables"?

It can. It HAS to. If the grid can't handle generation capacity delivery (meaning we can't get power "sent" to consumers) it's a delivery infrastructure failure. It isn't a generation failure.

The problem right now IMO is a lack of generation. And in a deregulated market, that means the people making the product (power producers) aren't making enough of it to go around so the price spikes.

Which is fine if you're selling a commodity like gold or oil or gas etc and you can buy it somewhere else and transport it (or simply not use it), but it's a BIG problem when you can't get an essential amount of power anywhere else and people freeze to death because of it.

Which is why it should have never been deregulated.

Found this. Hope this helps.

University of Alberta energy economist Andrew Leach said the industry’s growth, spurred by Alberta’s welcoming market, has outstripped the regulator’s ability to deal with it.

“Because Alberta has been open to it, it’s almost gone faster than anybody could have expected.”

He said projection of solar development tripled between May and June, from 2,000 to 6,000 megawatts.

“The grid operator really (was) not prepared for this rush,” he said.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/alber...rural-concerns